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2003/3/21 [Science/GlobalWarming, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:27789 Activity:high
3/21    Is this war about terrorists, or WMDs, or regime change, or oil, or
        dollar vs euro, or Bush personal vendetta, or American hegemonism,
        or a combination of all of the above?   What do you guys think?
        \_ I had a "well, duh" moment yesterday.  The only reason it's
           all been couched in the "protecting us from terrorists" context
           is because that context is already funded.  It's about oil.  period.
           --scotsman
           \_ You need another moment.  It's about oil, in the sense that oil
              is what makes Saddam rich, which gives him the capability
              \_ Nothig wrong.  It's just greed.
              to sponsor terrorists.  Dubya has said, "After all, this is the
              guy who tried to kill my dad" in a speech, and he figures
              Saddam's going to get his revenge one way or another.  The
              Bush view is "get them while they're small" -- preemptive
              strike -- and make them an example.
           \_ And what's wrong with controlling the 2nd largest source of
              energy on the planet?
              \_ what's the first largest source of energy? or do you mean
                 second largest source of oil?
                 \_ currently its the same thing.
              \_ It's going against the will of the people, squandering
                 resources in order to recoup the losses of some of our
                 largest corporations.  And what's wrong with it?  That
                 innocents are less important than those companies' bottom
                 lines.
                 \_ the will of which people?  you want to see the latest
                    polls on support for the war and support for bush?  the
                    last bit is just your opinion of the root cause.
                    \_ The Congress of these United States.  The funding
                       for this war is misappropriated from the struggle
                       against "terrorism".  Are you one of those who compares
                       the state of affairs in Iraq to the Cuban missile
                       crisis?
                       \_ So you think Congress doesn't want this to happen?
                          You're aware they voted October/02 for military
                          action?  You're aware they could vote anytime to do
                          all sorts of things both real and symbolic?  The
                          last I knew they were going to vote on a resolution
                          to say they support the troops.  And WTF does the
                          Cuban Missile Crisis have to do with this?  Can you
                          please try to stay in the same century with us?
              \_ Nothing wrong.  It's just greed.
                 \_ adults would call it control of strategic assets.  ya know,
                    important things you need to keep your culture alive.
                    \_ Next thing we know, you will be calling it 'lebensraum'.
        \_ Haven't you figured it out yet? The war is about the Jew Sharon
           and Zionsim.
           \_ Kill the Jews!  Push them into the sea!
        \_ War on the nexus of militant Islam, rogue states, and terrorism
           - they are all intertwined.  Reestablish negotiating position
           of the US to one of power.  Transition of US foreign policy from Cold
           War - first major transition since the 1940's.  Proxy war on the
           Saudis.
           \_ What is your definition of a "rogue state"?
              \_ Iran, N. Korea, France, Germany, China, Russia. -Dubya
                                 \_ nah, thoes are our reluctant allies!-dubya
              \_ hi trollboy!  love ya, kid!
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