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2003/3/17 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:27723 Activity:very high
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        Israeli Army Bulldozer Kills American Protester in Gaza.  Now, you can
        call me a bastard, but when one lies down in front of a
        tank/bulldozer/truck, etc., one must understand that the risk is that
        the driver will just take a hit off the sterno, make another mark in
        the dash, and hit the gas.  Though I feel bad for the woman, another
        part of me can't help but feel warm and fuzzy at seeing self-righteous
        protestors with stupid tactics getting what's coming to them.  My
        favorite quote:
        The Israeli troops "have shot over our heads, and shot near our feet
        --they have fired tear gas at us," said Michael Shaik,
        media coordinator for the group. "But we thought we had an
        understanding. We didn't think they would kill us."
        \_ My favorite was them going on and on in the newspaper about how they
           were *certain* the bulldozer would stop.  It just *had* to, right?
        \_ It's just the way of that sort of people.  The meaning "compassion"
           means nothing to them.  Sharon the Butcher encourages this with
           his rhetoric, and the pro zionists here love it so that they can
           increase their wealth with war profiteering.
           \_ Bullshit.  It's all about killing American students.  Jews
              reall hate American students (and a woman!) so they killed her!
        \_ The article also mentions a 13 year old boy and an unarmed man
           who were killed.  Were they being self-righteous for being in the
           "combat zone?"  A "combat zone" that happens to be where they
           live?  Maybe you should do a little thought experiment where you
           imagine your response to some soldiers showing up to your
           neighborhood who then decide to knock down your house without
           warning.  Then perhaps they shoot at you, kill a few neighbors,
           maybe your wife or child.  If you can't symphathize with that
           then you're worse than a bastard.  Maybe that self-righteous
           American just couldn't stand by and watch it all go down on
           CNN anymore.  At least she tried to change something, what
           have you done?
           \_ Ever wonder how their front yard got to be a combat zone?
              And what have YOU done?  Posted to the motd about it?  I've come
              \_ how about running away?  or joining a suicide bombing squad?
              to the realization that giving "A's for effort" reinforces some
              pretty awful behavior, for instance, suicide bombing.  At least
              they tried, indeed.  And in your thought experiment, I pick up
              a gun and shoot back.  I sure as hell don't count on anyone to
              to take pity on me and bail me out.  If it happens, I'd be
              grateful, but I don't count on it. -op
              \_ how about running away?  or joining a suicide bombing squad?
                \_ every time they "shoot back" the israeli army fires
                   a tank missile or knocks someone ELSE's house down,
                   and then the cycle begins all over again, i am so glad
                   i don't live there.
                   \_ You mean every time the palestinian children throw
                      a stone, Sharon's Butcher SS shoots US missles at their
                      village? Yeah.  Well you can thank the pro-zion
                      influence in congress for that.  Might I add, that
                      missile was from YOUR and MY taxdollars.
                      \_ Stones for the cameras, rockets at night when naive
                         kids like you aren't watching TV and the reporters
                         are out getting laid.
                   \_ I always find it odd how the Palestinians don't go
                      and throw rocks at the Jordanians, Lebanese, Syrians
                      or Egyptians, all of which at some point perpetrated
                      fairly egregious acts against the Palestinians.  Not
                      to excuse what the Israelis (and their settlers) do, but
                      one does get the impression that a bit of anti-semitism
                      (let's be honest, a lot of the 'let's-drive-the-fucking-
                      Jew-bastards-into-the-sea' rhetoric thrown around by
                      various Arab groups doesn't get very conscientiously
                      reported by Western media) is a lot easier than any sort
                      of even-handed assessment of who's to blame for one's
                      predicament.  And frankly, although they're reacting in
                      a brutish, uncivilized manner, this time it wasn't the
                      Israelis who started provoking everyone in sight by
                      completely disregarding an agreed-upon peace agreement.
                        -John
                      \_ Gandhi did little for India other than ruin it and
                         condemn it to fifty plus years of poverty and
                         financial ruin and communal violence. Instead of
                         going around fasting and talking non-sense he should
                         have supported Bose and the others who wanted to
                         liberate India in the same way that the founding
                         fathers liberated America from the British.
                      \_ John, you're right that the other Arab states have
                         done (and continue to do) their fair share of
                         Palestinian oppression.  It's just that the Israelis
                         are a much more present target (i.e., in Palestine)
                         and the other Arab nations are much more vicious
                         in suppressing protest in their own countries (i.e.,
                         they'll deport agitators to Palestine so quick it'll
                         make your head spin).  If the other Arab states
                         wanted to do something about the Palestinian issue,
                         they could offer to make a homeland within their
                         own territory... but that's not a popular idea.
                         --erikred
                         \_ Or like Jordan they can surrender a huge chunk of
                            land, cut it off and say it isn't their problem
                            anymore.  I think Israel should do the same.
                         \_ Or they can just kill themselves with fear...
                            http://csua.org/u/ae9
                         \_ 40% of the Palestinians already live in Jordan.
                            And creating a "homeland" for Palestinians
                            outside of Palestine would simply legitimize
                            Isreal's ethnic cleansing.
                            \_ Sure, and creating a Palestinian state in
                               Palestine will legitimize suicide bombings.
                               Look, we can argue the semantics all day, but
                               if you're looking for practical solutions,
                               carving a homeland out of Jordan is not an
                               unreasonable solution.  --erikred
                               \_ It's very unreasonable to the Jordanians.
                               \_ It is unreasonable to everyone but Isreal.
                                  \_ Wow, that's pretty damned clueless.
                            \_ You don't know what ethnic cleansing means. If
                               you take the meanest word in your vocabulary,
                               (racism, murder, nazi, rapist, etc) and apply
                               it universally the word loses meaning.
                               \_ What do *you* call it then? Sharon
                                  calls it "involuntary population
                                  transfer."
                                  \_ When exactly has Sharon tried pushing
                                     Arabs out of the WB or Gaza?  When has
                                     Sharon done such a thing?  You can't name
                                     the year because it has never happened.
                                     *I* call it, "you're a lying POS racist".
                                     \_ I notice you don't answer the
                                        question. Sharon has forcably
                                        moved thousands to build
                                        settlements and plans to move
                                        thousands more when the fence
                                        is built. And where did all the
                                        land in 1948 come from? Go ahead and
                                        delete this, your kind cannot stand
                                        the light of the truth.
                                        \_ it's called tit for tat
                   \_ Bingo.  Which would suggest that someone is employing
                      the wrong tactics.  I should note that Ghandi managed
                      to free all of India through a campaign of hunger
                      strikes and non-violent struggle.  Though as a
                              \- well that is a little simple. --psb
                      counter-point, similar campaigns have done precious
                      little to free Tibet from China's oppressive rule. -op
                      \- and the chinese didnt run over the stand in front of
                         a tank fellow at tianamen sq. states should be held
                         to a higher standard. --psb
                         \_ "fellow"?  You know why you don't know his name?
                            Because they grabbed him and executed him in some
                            dark alley.  His name will never be known.
                            \_ Google for this, you will find an article
                               which mentions him being at large.
                      \_ lying down in front of a bulldozer isn't perpetuating
                         a cycle of violence, unless you only count violence
                         by Isreal.  -tom
                         \_ Actually she didn't lie down.  She tripped and
                            fell and then got run over.  It was nothing so
                            noble, just simple clumsiness.
              \_ will the non-pedophiles please think of the children??
                            \_ Not according to all the news reports.
                               What is your source?
                \_ I don't think the Israelis will "cave in" to
                   Palestinian demands if the Palestinians all
                   simultaneously bombard Israel with a huge campaign
                   of pacifism and non violence.  but their current
                   strategy isn't working too well either, i guess
                   they're screwed.
                   \_ Demands?  Which ones?  The ones where the Israelis all
                      go jump in the sea?
        \_ US seems to be the opposite extreme of this. If in the US, some
           bulldozing company were to accidentally bulldoze over an "innocent"
           deer or dog, there would be protests all over and it would become
           a front page human interest story... both the US extreme and
           Israeli extreme seem fucked up to me. ~apolitical.
           \_ if there were weekly suicide bombings, your thinking might be
              different
           \_ ruby ridge.  waco.  it's ok to whack fringe right-wing types.
              \_ No, wackos with guns. You're forgetting the 60's and 70's
                 when the FBI took out left-wing fringe groups.
                 \_ No one at Waco had guns.  Except the ATF.
                    \_ LOL! Ah, that's why agents died storming them. It was
                       the cows who shot them...
        \_ hey, that dead chick is pretty cute!
           \_ was.  but that's ok.  stupid chicks are all over campus.  you'll
              find another one.
        \_ >z
           Time passes...

           The bulldozer thunders toward you.  The ground is shaking beneath
           you as you lie in the mud.
           \_ You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
           \_ > enjoy mud
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