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Israeli Army Bulldozer Kills American Protester in Gaza. Now, you can
call me a bastard, but when one lies down in front of a
tank/bulldozer/truck, etc., one must understand that the risk is that
the driver will just take a hit off the sterno, make another mark in
the dash, and hit the gas. Though I feel bad for the woman, another
part of me can't help but feel warm and fuzzy at seeing self-righteous
protestors with stupid tactics getting what's coming to them. My
favorite quote:
The Israeli troops "have shot over our heads, and shot near our feet
--they have fired tear gas at us," said Michael Shaik,
media coordinator for the group. "But we thought we had an
understanding. We didn't think they would kill us."
\_ My favorite was them going on and on in the newspaper about how they
were *certain* the bulldozer would stop. It just *had* to, right?
\_ It's just the way of that sort of people. The meaning "compassion"
means nothing to them. Sharon the Butcher encourages this with
his rhetoric, and the pro zionists here love it so that they can
increase their wealth with war profiteering.
\_ Bullshit. It's all about killing American students. Jews
reall hate American students (and a woman!) so they killed her!
\_ The article also mentions a 13 year old boy and an unarmed man
who were killed. Were they being self-righteous for being in the
"combat zone?" A "combat zone" that happens to be where they
live? Maybe you should do a little thought experiment where you
imagine your response to some soldiers showing up to your
neighborhood who then decide to knock down your house without
warning. Then perhaps they shoot at you, kill a few neighbors,
maybe your wife or child. If you can't symphathize with that
then you're worse than a bastard. Maybe that self-righteous
American just couldn't stand by and watch it all go down on
CNN anymore. At least she tried to change something, what
have you done?
\_ Ever wonder how their front yard got to be a combat zone?
And what have YOU done? Posted to the motd about it? I've come
\_ how about running away? or joining a suicide bombing squad?
to the realization that giving "A's for effort" reinforces some
pretty awful behavior, for instance, suicide bombing. At least
they tried, indeed. And in your thought experiment, I pick up
a gun and shoot back. I sure as hell don't count on anyone to
to take pity on me and bail me out. If it happens, I'd be
grateful, but I don't count on it. -op
\_ how about running away? or joining a suicide bombing squad?
\_ every time they "shoot back" the israeli army fires
a tank missile or knocks someone ELSE's house down,
and then the cycle begins all over again, i am so glad
i don't live there.
\_ You mean every time the palestinian children throw
a stone, Sharon's Butcher SS shoots US missles at their
village? Yeah. Well you can thank the pro-zion
influence in congress for that. Might I add, that
missile was from YOUR and MY taxdollars.
\_ Stones for the cameras, rockets at night when naive
kids like you aren't watching TV and the reporters
are out getting laid.
\_ I always find it odd how the Palestinians don't go
and throw rocks at the Jordanians, Lebanese, Syrians
or Egyptians, all of which at some point perpetrated
fairly egregious acts against the Palestinians. Not
to excuse what the Israelis (and their settlers) do, but
one does get the impression that a bit of anti-semitism
(let's be honest, a lot of the 'let's-drive-the-fucking-
Jew-bastards-into-the-sea' rhetoric thrown around by
various Arab groups doesn't get very conscientiously
reported by Western media) is a lot easier than any sort
of even-handed assessment of who's to blame for one's
predicament. And frankly, although they're reacting in
a brutish, uncivilized manner, this time it wasn't the
Israelis who started provoking everyone in sight by
completely disregarding an agreed-upon peace agreement.
-John
\_ Gandhi did little for India other than ruin it and
condemn it to fifty plus years of poverty and
financial ruin and communal violence. Instead of
going around fasting and talking non-sense he should
have supported Bose and the others who wanted to
liberate India in the same way that the founding
fathers liberated America from the British.
\_ John, you're right that the other Arab states have
done (and continue to do) their fair share of
Palestinian oppression. It's just that the Israelis
are a much more present target (i.e., in Palestine)
and the other Arab nations are much more vicious
in suppressing protest in their own countries (i.e.,
they'll deport agitators to Palestine so quick it'll
make your head spin). If the other Arab states
wanted to do something about the Palestinian issue,
they could offer to make a homeland within their
own territory... but that's not a popular idea.
--erikred
\_ Or like Jordan they can surrender a huge chunk of
land, cut it off and say it isn't their problem
anymore. I think Israel should do the same.
\_ Or they can just kill themselves with fear...
http://csua.org/u/ae9
\_ 40% of the Palestinians already live in Jordan.
And creating a "homeland" for Palestinians
outside of Palestine would simply legitimize
Isreal's ethnic cleansing.
\_ Sure, and creating a Palestinian state in
Palestine will legitimize suicide bombings.
Look, we can argue the semantics all day, but
if you're looking for practical solutions,
carving a homeland out of Jordan is not an
unreasonable solution. --erikred
\_ It's very unreasonable to the Jordanians.
\_ It is unreasonable to everyone but Isreal.
\_ Wow, that's pretty damned clueless.
\_ You don't know what ethnic cleansing means. If
you take the meanest word in your vocabulary,
(racism, murder, nazi, rapist, etc) and apply
it universally the word loses meaning.
\_ What do *you* call it then? Sharon
calls it "involuntary population
transfer."
\_ When exactly has Sharon tried pushing
Arabs out of the WB or Gaza? When has
Sharon done such a thing? You can't name
the year because it has never happened.
*I* call it, "you're a lying POS racist".
\_ I notice you don't answer the
question. Sharon has forcably
moved thousands to build
settlements and plans to move
thousands more when the fence
is built. And where did all the
land in 1948 come from? Go ahead and
delete this, your kind cannot stand
the light of the truth.
\_ it's called tit for tat
\_ Bingo. Which would suggest that someone is employing
the wrong tactics. I should note that Ghandi managed
to free all of India through a campaign of hunger
strikes and non-violent struggle. Though as a
\- well that is a little simple. --psb
counter-point, similar campaigns have done precious
little to free Tibet from China's oppressive rule. -op
\- and the chinese didnt run over the stand in front of
a tank fellow at tianamen sq. states should be held
to a higher standard. --psb
\_ "fellow"? You know why you don't know his name?
Because they grabbed him and executed him in some
dark alley. His name will never be known.
\_ Google for this, you will find an article
which mentions him being at large.
\_ lying down in front of a bulldozer isn't perpetuating
a cycle of violence, unless you only count violence
by Isreal. -tom
\_ Actually she didn't lie down. She tripped and
fell and then got run over. It was nothing so
noble, just simple clumsiness.
\_ will the non-pedophiles please think of the children??
\_ Not according to all the news reports.
What is your source?
\_ I don't think the Israelis will "cave in" to
Palestinian demands if the Palestinians all
simultaneously bombard Israel with a huge campaign
of pacifism and non violence. but their current
strategy isn't working too well either, i guess
they're screwed.
\_ Demands? Which ones? The ones where the Israelis all
go jump in the sea?
\_ US seems to be the opposite extreme of this. If in the US, some
bulldozing company were to accidentally bulldoze over an "innocent"
deer or dog, there would be protests all over and it would become
a front page human interest story... both the US extreme and
Israeli extreme seem fucked up to me. ~apolitical.
\_ if there were weekly suicide bombings, your thinking might be
different
\_ ruby ridge. waco. it's ok to whack fringe right-wing types.
\_ No, wackos with guns. You're forgetting the 60's and 70's
when the FBI took out left-wing fringe groups.
\_ No one at Waco had guns. Except the ATF.
\_ LOL! Ah, that's why agents died storming them. It was
the cows who shot them...
\_ hey, that dead chick is pretty cute!
\_ was. but that's ok. stupid chicks are all over campus. you'll
find another one.
\_ >z
Time passes...
The bulldozer thunders toward you. The ground is shaking beneath
you as you lie in the mud.
\_ You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
\_ > enjoy mud |
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