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2003/3/7-8 [Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold, Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:27623 Activity:insanely high
3/7     "Man Arrested for 'Peace' T-Shirt" -- an URBAN LEGEND!
        http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/859373/posts
        \_ things like the use of the "[sic]" not as a correction of usage
           but as an insult is why rational people will never take
           but as an insult are why rational people will never take
           http://freerepublic.com seriously
                \_ In case you haven't noticed all the articles there
                   are links from sundry mainstream news media.  The only
                   thing user contributed content is the comments.  For
                   example this article was from the Wall Street Journal.
                   So in your view, the WSJ and NYT have no credibility?
                   \_ but the poster added [sic] after the line where the
                      WSJ called the men gentlemen.  That makes the poster
                      look like an idiot.
                   \_ What I commented on, the "[sic]," was not in the
                      deposition, it was added by the user who submitted
                      the story.  Why are you trying to change the subject?
                   \_ Ok, I was mistaken and lazy and this is from the
                      WSJ.  But it's just these types of sometimes subtle,
                      usually not, pieces that end up being submitted to
                      http://freerepublic.com and being further disseminated.
                      Pieces that come to people's attention by this route
                      are highly suspect, at least to me, be they from the
                      WSJ or NYT.
           \_ what's a libaral publication at par with the credibility of
              http://freerepublic.com? Salon? I guess what I'm asking is: how far
              to the left to you have to go to acheive a similar amount of
              (un)credibility? ... just trying to get a better gauge of
              accepted politcal beliefs.       - running for office (j/k)
              \_ Salon is hardly the liberal counterpart of freerepublic.
                 The counterpart would have to be of the weekly world news
                 ilk.
                        \_ Salon is dead / dying.
                           \_ despite the persistent and gleeful schadenfreude
                              from freepers, Salon will probably survive the
                              latest round of doom predictions.
              \_ http://indymedia.org
                 \_ ding.  We have a winner.
              \_ http://nytimes.com
                 \_ funny how the nytimes is loved and scorned in equal
                    meassure by both the right and the left
              \_ http://cpusa.org
        \_ So who was that I saw on O'Reilly?
                \_ Did you even bother to read the article?
                   \_ Yes, but I was hoping that someone wouldn't be that much
                      of a bald liar.  Also, it was more fun to answer the
                      question than respond to the article.
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Had he removed the shirt he would not have been arrested for trespassing. It was trespassing because they refused to follow legal orders from the owners of the mall. Calling this an urban legend is not splitting hairs it's a mischaracterization. I saw the O'Reilly interview, and there is a LOT we don't know, so don't stick your neck out for this clown. Well, the idiot got his fifteen minutes of fame, appearing on O'Reilly and elsewhere. Now the whole world knows what an anti-American jerk he is. So why do you think that after Stephen Downs was arrested for trespassing, processed, told to leave the mall and released, he then immediately returned to the mall and resumed his activities? We know that he did this because he was then arrested in the mall for trespassing a second time. Even I, solid supporter of the USA on this business of er'" kicking Saddam's b**t", sort of quailed at this apparent over kill. Gives me a chance as an old and experienced hand in these matters. I, as security in a large mall, evicted a gentleman for preaching Jesus Loves and approaching teen agers. The preacher said he was the superintendant of an apartment building. The judge asked him what he would do, if someone came in his building and acted in way that bothered tennants. He always has a wave to me now and conceded I was right. Mall Security Guards are among the most honorable and respected members of the American Society. Therefore, what the Mall Security Guard wrote in his report is beyond reproach and because of the mall security guard's standing in society we should forgo due process in this case and deem the Mall Security Guard police officer, district attorney, judge jury and executioner! According to the sworn deposition of the security guard, he was arrested, booked, returned, and was arrested again. No, this will be decided at trial, with a judge and a jury. The two security guards and two police officers involved will only be witnesses. It is up to a jury to decide whether they, or this attorney, are telling the truth. Besides having poor handwriting and bad spelling he does not even know what day it is. So if the "owners" demanded that black people leave the premises, would it still be OK to arrest them for trespassing if they refused? I predict a lawsuit, and a nice settlement or jury award for this guy. Weather breaking like spring, up here in Great Lakes Country. Oh yeah, make out a report and leave it for the Mall management. I do not know about American Mall Security guards, just Canadian. Whoa there, one false move and the onimpotent guard, Mr Superman, gets cut down to size. Why, he (Manager or Superindendant says- or maybe she says), "did you not consult me first". Keep the paying public happy, keep the customers flowing . Yep, God bless little lost children- I never lost one yet. Hey, I have put up with ten times worse than your evaluation- and in the odd case justified. The reality is that he is a political agitator who harrassed customers adn was asked to leave. C-YA 237 37 posted on 03/07/2003 2:53:55 PM PST by 238 breakem 239 Post Reply | 240 Private Reply | 241 To 22 | 242 View Replies To: try phecta tom Amazing. They went on O'Reilly and said they were just eating their dinner! But, this mall security officer's story does appear to have a few holes. The other security guard specifically states in his sworn 267 deposition that they were stopping customers and telling them why they were wearing the shirts. Furthermore, he swears that after Stephen Downs was arrested for trespassing, processed at the station, and released, he returned to the mall and resumed his protest. It may be true that mall security does not attract many PhD's, but what substantive part of Mr. Downs was arrested for trespassing once, he returned to the mall and was arrested for trespassing again? Williams wrote the wrong date on the document which is more than enough to get a case tossed. Secondly, If guy wearing the peace shirt was arrested a first time I am having a problem determining why he was released only to be re-arrested a short time later. Did the peacenik go up to someone grab and start spouting non-sense about the war or did some otherwise well meaning citizen say something to the effect "What's wrong with you Commie boy? It is likely that someone else may have engaged the peace man in an argument first, only to have the person on the other end of the argument arrested. My neighbor Across the street from my house has a "No War" Sign in his yard. What if I trespass in his yard tonight to take the sign? Try a better analogy 292 48 posted on 03/07/2003 4:29:58 PM PST by 293 george wythe 294 Post Reply | 295 Private Reply | 296 To 32 | 297 View Replies Two Cases to consider: Lloyd In 1972, the Supreme Court in the case of Lloyd Corp. Tanner, etched out just how open to the public one's private property must be in order to lose the right to exclude members of the general public from participating in free speech. In that case, anti-war protesters were enjoined from distributing handbills in an Oregon shopping mall. The Supreme Court held that the mall literally opened itself up to the public because the mall did business with the general public. However, the Court reasoned that the mere fact of doing business with the public did not constitute a company town, as in Marsh, or a business block, as in Logan Valley. Rather, the Court held that the mall did not sufficiently lose enough of its private character to have its right to exclude outweighed by free speech rights. Pruneyard In 1980, the free speech/ private property rights struggle took on a more complicated form in a case called Pruneyard Shopping Center v. The Supreme Court dealt with an appeal by a shopping center from a California State Supreme Court decision upholding the free speech and petition rights of individual citizens on property owned by the shopping center. The Court recognized that the nature of the California shopping mall was similar to the shopping mall in Lloyd. Constitution would not outweigh the California shopping mall's right to exclude. Yet, the Supreme Court acknowledged that the California Constitution also guarantees free speech rights to California citizens. Furthermore, the Court held that those free speech rights guaranteed by the California Constitution, or any state constitution for that matter, even in a privately-owned shopping mall, like the one in Lloyd, could outweigh the shopping mall owner's right to exclude. My non-lawyer reading of the 298 above leads me to conclude that there is no federal protection for private protestors inside a mall, but there might be state protection depending on the particular state's constitution 299 49 posted on 03/07/2003 4:34:13 PM PST by 300 george wythe 301 Post Reply | 302 Private Reply | 303 View Replies To: MikalM The written report from the guard only says that there was a "verbal dispute". It says nothing about who started it, something the security guard could not know in any case, having not been there. I just wonder what your reaction would be if the exact same thing occured with someone wearing and NRA or Free Republic tee shirt. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.
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