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2003/2/26 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:27539 Activity:high
2/26    Voice of Iraqis- Why dont antiwar types want to hear them?
        http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-taheri022603.asp
        \_ do you think the iraqi people think the US will invade,
           knock over hussein, and leave?  or do they think the US
           will install a military led government that will exist
           until the end of time?
           \_ What do *you* think the Iraqi think?  That is clearly more
              important than what they really think.
        \_ You know it's all about the oil!  As if the Iraqis wouldn't love
           to sell us all the cheap oil as fast as they could pump it.
        \_ You know I bet if you went to an anti-abortion rally and tried
           to get the microphone to speak against them you would get a
           far less polite response.
        \_ The Iraqis are misled and misinformed brown people.  We white
           people know what's best for them better than they do.
           \_ You didn't read the article, did you?
              \_ Actually I did.  You had to retake Subject A, didn't you?
                  \_ I guess meant "we white people" as the anti-war crowd.
                     He thought "we white people" was the pro-war crowd.
                     Is that your meaning?
                     \_ Given the context, I meant the former.  However,
                        you can just as well say the latter.  What does
                        the fabled Arab street want?  Ref Melian Dialogue.
            \_ Many Iraqi-Americans are opposed to the war. They almost
               all hate Hussein but many (most?) do not support a US
               dominated effort to overthrow him. Such complexities are
               probably too much for your binary brain to handle, though.
               \_ There are lies, damned lies, and equivocations.
               \_ OBTW, learn how to indent correctly.
        \_ The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of
           passionate intensity.
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Voice of Iraqis Why don't antiwar types want to hear them? I spent part of a recent Saturday with the so-called "antiwar" marchers in London in the company of some Iraqi friends. Our aim had been to persuade the organizers to let at least one Iraqi voice to be heard. Soon, however, it became clear that the organizers were as anxious to stifle the voice of the Iraqis in exile as was Saddam Hussein in Iraq. Only official placards, manufactured in thousands and distributed among the "spontaneous" marchers, were allowed. The goons also confiscated photographs showing the tragedy of Halabja, the Kurdish town where Saddam's forces gassed 5,000 people to death in 1988. We managed to reach some of the stars of the show, including Reverend Jesse Jackson, the self-styled champion of American civil rights. One of our group, Salima Kazim, an Iraqi grandmother, managed to attract the reverend's attention and told him how Saddam Hussein had murdered her three sons because they had been dissidents in the Baath Party; We next spotted former film star Glenda Jackson, apparently manning a stand where "antiwar" characters could sign up to become "human shields" to protect Saddam's military installations against American air attacks. We thought we might have a better chance with Charles Kennedy, a boyish-looking, red-headed Scot who leads the misnamed Liberal Democrat party. But he, too, had no time for "complex issues" that could not be raised at a mass rally. Just a little hint, perhaps, that Saddam was still murdering people in his Qasr al-Nayhayah (Palace of the End) prison, and that as the Westerners marched, Iraqis continued to die? We then ran into Tony Benn, a leftist septuagenarian who has recycled himself as a television reporter to interview Saddam in Baghdad. The Iraqis would had much to tell the "antiwar" marchers, had they had a chance to speak. Fadel Sultani, president of the National Association of Iraqi authors, would have told the marchers that their action would encourage Saddam to intensify his repression. Hashem al-Iqabi, one of Iraq's leading writers and intellectuals, had hoped the marchers would mention the fact that Saddam had driven almost four million Iraqis out of their homes and razed more than 6,000 villages to the ground. Ismail Qaderi, a former Baathist official but now a dissident, wanted to tell the marchers how Saddam systematically destroyed even his own party, starting by murdering all but one of its 16 original leaders. Khalid Kishtaini, Iraq's most famous satirical writer, added his complaint. Who were these people who felt such hatred of their democratic governments and such intense self-loathing? There were the usual suspects: the remnants of the Left, from Stalinists and Trotskyites to caviar socialists. There were the pro-abortionists, the anti-GM food crowd, the anti-capital-punishment militants, the black-rights gurus, the anti-Semites, the "burn Israel" lobby, the "Bush-didn't-win-Florida" zealots, the unilateral disarmers, the anti-Hollywood "cultural exception" merchants, and the guilt-ridden postmodernist "everything is equal to everything else" philosophers. But the bulk of the crowd consisted of fellow travelers, those innocent citizens who, prompted by idealism or boredom, are always prepared to play the role of "useful idiots," as Lenin used to call them. They ignored the fact that the peoples of Iraq are unanimous in their prayers for the war of liberation to come as quickly as possible. The number of marchers did not impress Salima, the grandmother. Jackson, Charles Kennedy, Glenda Jackson, Tony Benn, and their companions in a march of shame.