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2003/2/18 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:27448 Activity:very high
2/17    I always like to hear voice of different source.  Titled:
        Bush's sabre-rattling linked to self-interest
        http://csua.org/u/973
        \_ I am a dyed-in-the-wool Bush-hater, and it would gall me to no
           end if all this came to pass, because this is exactly what I
           think would actually bring a semblance of reform to the Middle
           East.  And I would have this person, whom I hate, both rationally
           and irrationally, so don't bother to try to convert me, to thank
           for it.  --erikred
           \_ Do you hate Clinton, erikred?
              \_ No, but I don't delude myself that he was a saint, either. --e
                 \_ So my question to you is, why do you hate Bush, but not
                    Clinton.  Clinton seems so far more evil.
                    \_ If you'd really like to know, email me.  --erikred
                        \_ Please post it.
                           \_ Resist! Don't do it! Leave the troll alone for
                              the good of the motd and humankind at large.
                              \_ Done. --erikred
                                 \_ Sorry, I don't get it, why are you willing
                                    to talk over e-mail, but not over motd.
                                    I mean even if you e-mail me, I ll post it
                                    here anyways.
        \_ These arguments are rhetorical.  These justifications are obvious,
           right?  It's too bad Bush is not a conservative.
           \_ He's not a conservative but he's closer to the real thing than
              Gore's make over artists could ever dream.
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Akbar: Bush's sabre-rattling linked to self-interest | New Delhi | 17-02-2003 34 Print friendly format | 35 Email to Friend A superpower goes to war to establish that it is super. That is the principal difference between wars begun by the dominant power of the age, and those initiated by lesser mortals. War is always an exercise in self-interest, although every generation has attempted to disguise bloodshed with a variation of morality. The compass is set not by the liberation struggle of a Moses but by the doctrines of a Joshua. The only difference between right and wrong is the difference between success and failure. A superpower wastes your time, and its own, when it narrates its doctrines across reams of bureaucratic paper. This is true whether the world is controlled by the Pax Romana or Pax Americana. This is not an ultimatum designed for permanent war, for there is no such thing. And there is always a Pope's Line established to maintain the balance as defined by the presiding genius of the moment. The Taliban consisted of the same people with the same ideology before and after 9/11. Far from confronting the Taliban when it destroyed the Bamiyan Buddhas and terrorised sections of its own people, America was gradually coming to an accommodation with this government. American missiles uprooted the Taliban after 9/11 because they were hunting for an enemy that had shaken the empire with its sheer audacity. This audacity could not be left unpunished, or the credibility of America would crumble. Mullah Omar, the leader of the Taliban, was a bit surprised by the American reaction precisely because he had done business with the Americans before 9/11. Americans thought that the world had changed after 9/11 but that was a misperception. The world must now deal with the meaning of this change; A superpower's real problem with war is not the military element. No one in his senses thought that the Taliban could withstand American might in a conventional war (the results of the unconventional one are awaited). No one in his senses believes that Iraq can do anything beyond postponing the inevitable if George Bush begins operations against Saddam Hussain. To bring Hamid Karzai to power under (literal) American protection? The purpose was to eliminate, or at least arrest, the standard bearers of anti-American terrorism. Specifically, the objective was to get Osama bin Laden and Mullah Omar, and then, through due process, identify and eliminate the whole Al Qaida network. By this yardstick the war in Afghanistan has not yet been won by America. Osama bin Laden drove home this fact through his favourite method, a videotape, distributed to the media for international dissemination. Washington confirmed its authenticity when Colin Powell used the tape as his evidence of collusion between Osama and Saddam (a person, incidentally, that Osama dislikes only slightly less intensely than he dislikes George Bush). Osama's descriptions of the battle at Tora Bora could only have come from him. His network is clearly still in place, even if reduced in capability. The hunters cannot find him, although he can find his hunters when he chooses to do so. He is realistic about his chances of survival, and has suggested that he will soon die in some encounter with the Americans, who are now in physical charge of his operating base in the Afghan-Pak crossover belt. It is not a matter of merely finding an Iraqi Hamid Karzai. To begin with the process through which regime change will come will disturb the geopolitics of the region substantially and substantively. Turkey has not agreed to participate in the war against Saddam without securing its own strategic interests. This in effect means that Turkish troops will control the north of Iraq, and occupy it. Iran, which fought a war with Iraq for eight bloody years, will use the disintegration of authority in Baghdad to define the quasi-independence of the majority Shia population in eastern Iraq. How much of all this America is able to shape, or control, is uncertain. It is unimportant that George Bush picked his dream from someone else's slag heap. He couldn't remember the name of any country apart from Mexico when he was elected but today wants to reorder the world. America, like George Bush, was in isolationist mood before 9/11; Saddam Hussain is disposed of with maximum power and minimum fuss. Ideally he should be discovered dead in a bunker after a firefight. Crowds throng the streets as Bush waves to Baghdad via satellite from the safety of the White House (Al Qaida threats have prevented his triumphal cavalcade through liberated Baghdad). A coalition government flies in from London, consisting largely of exiled Iraqis who have been on someone's payroll for years. Within six months of the war there is a free and fair election in Iraq that legitimises this forward-looking, dynamic administration that has already obtained billions of dollars of loans from the World Bank and billions of dollars of promises from Japan. At which point the American triumvirate of George Bush, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld takes its forefingers out of the pocket and begins to wave it furiously at every Arab regime that has been on its side so far. This rule number one in the New World, now officially labelled the New Middle East (NME for short). NME will hinge around economic reform and a new economic order on the lines of the European Union. Turkey's destiny must be the old Ottoman empire, a thought not totally dismissed by the modern Islamists in power there. Turkey and Israel have always been partners and should work well together, with Iraq, Jordan, Syria and Egypt in harness. Talks between Ariel Sharon's Israel and a new Palestine leadership have begun; In one sweep of the magic wand, history is rendered impotent, the jihad is over, Bush the First is avenged, Bush the Second gets the Nobel Prize for Peace, oil flows at $10 a barrel making the world safe for consumer goods, after which everyone can get together to tell the Mullahs of Iran where they get off. Since George Bush has been re-elected in 2004 there is sufficient time for this agenda to become reality. By 2008 Saddam Hussain will be a forgotten nightmare, and France and Germany sunk to the level of third powers. Akbar: Bush's sabre-rattling linked to self-interest 37 Dr.