2/17    Still want to know what is up with all the SUV drivers on their way
        to SF with "no blood for oil signs" who don't know how to use BART.
        \_ Uhm, maybe they're people that are willing to deal with the
           consequences of their politics and pay the higher cost of
           gasoline & etc?
        \_ Maybe they don't drive very often.  What's the difference between
           an SUV driver who bikes to work and only drives on the weekends
              their cars on my way home with signs and all.
           and a hybrid owner who does 40+ miles each way every day?
           \_ Given who I was looking at, I strongly doubt they owned bikes.
              Also, the BART parking lot was full and I saw folks getting into
              their cars on my way home with signs and all.  And I said they
              "don't know how to use BART".  At all.  They bike to the city?
              Or maybe it was their first time there, ever?  Yeah.  Sure.
              \_ I know cyclists who own SUVs.
                 \_ And?
                    \_ And they can bike to the city.
                       \_ From the East bay?
                          \_ Bay Bridge Bicycle Commuter Shuttle
                             http://www.transitinfo.org/Bikes/BayBridgeShuttle.html
              \_ Maybe they work in the South Bay where there's no BART and
                 they commute on Light Rail?
                 \_ Getting really desperate huh?  See below about the moon,
                    cheese, and clouds with silver linings.
                 \_ And they only travel for work and live in the bay area and
                    never go to SF and never go anywhere BART might go.  Right.
                    \_ So are you saying you know by heart how to ride the
                       Light Rail and the Caltrain and the Amtrak, because you
                       living in the Bay Area must imply that you must have at
                       least once been to one of the places that each of these
                       transit systems serve, right?  BTW, even for people
                       working in SF, AC Transit and Alameda/Oakland Ferry run
                       many transbay routes during commute hours, which you
                       absolutely already know how to ride too, right?
                       \_ Really, it's a nice effort, but no points on this
                          one.  You're just flailing and thrashing now.
                          \_ Whatever you say.  BART is not the only public
                             transit option in the Bay Area.
                             \_ I say you continue to blatantly ignore what
                                I've said when it doesn't fit your world view
                                and make up random "maybes" that have nothing
                                to do with anything in a bizarre attempt to
                                justify something to yourself.
        \_ My so-called "gas guzzler" SUV does 25MPG freeway and I take the
           extra time and effort to park-and-ride to work, while a friend's
           Mercedes mid-size *sedan* does 19MPG freeway and he drives to work.
           Yet nobody picks on such sedan drivers.
           \_ What do you expect from those replete with cognitive dissonance.
              \_ I don't think that phrase means what you think it means.
           \_ 25mpg?  What year/model?  This'll be good.
              \_ '96 Jeep Cherokee 5-sp manual, and I don't speed cuz speeding
                 wastes a lot of gas.
                 \_ That's not an SUV.  Yermom would be proud of you though.
        \_ this whole thing is a pathetic strawman.  -tom
           \_ Is not!  (like how I backed my point as well as you did yours?)
                \_ the point of a strawman argument is to get people to
                   argue about irrelevancies, which is why I won't.  -tom