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2003/1/20-21 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:27160 Activity:high
1/20    Why do people keep using the hypothetical American military's casualty
        as an argument against war?  First, some soldiers are supposed to die
        in battle, otherwise you wouldn't need soldiers or wars.  Second,
        serving in the U.S. army is one of the safest profession in the
        world, even in  large scale battles.  I would not be surprised if
        statistically it is safer than being a Cal student.  If you really
        care about U.S. soldiers' lives, you should support the deployment of
        bigger, better, and more decisive weapons, say nuke everywhere that
        has a concentration of Iraqi troops.  We can do it and it would
        eliminate all U.S. casualty except those due to accidents, which
        happens anyway.
        \_ hello wack job!
        \_ this is damned silly logic.           -mice
        \_ 696,628 U.S. troops served in the Gulf War 1990/1991.
           263,000 sought medical care at VA facilities for Gulf War
           Syndrome.  At least 64% of all U.S. troops who served during the
           Persian Gulf War were (and still are) at high risk of developing
           the symptoms and disabilities of Gulf War Syndrome.
           http://projects.is.asu.edu/pipermail/hpn/2000-August/001119.html
           \_ We actually deployed 696,628 people to Iraq?  "Serving in the
              Gulf War" doesn't necessarily imply going to Iraq or even leaving
              this country.
              this country.  Did all of the 263,000 people serve in Iraq?
           \_ I know a guy who served in the gulf war.  He's an arabic
              language translator.  He never left his base in Texas.
              \_ good thing he wasn't gay
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projects.is.asu.edu/pipermail/hpn/2000-August/001119.html
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