12/25 "A couple of years ago, the biggest American corporations would have
considered it risky to outsource mission-critical work to India,
but it is now becoming a common-sense proposition." --Bill Gates
Keep fighting those H1-B visas, guys; maybe you'll be able to beat
the ocean back with a broom. -tom
\_ I've worked on multiple projects that involve people
in India. The only "mission-critical" work that you
can have them reliably do is stuff like QA (monkey
push the button style) or minor sysadmin type work.
If you have one of these types of jobs then maybe
you should be worried.
\_ it's unclear to me. do you support H1-B's or are you saying that
we're losing an important battle?
\_ Fighting H1-B's is just encouraging companies to move their
whole operation to India. -tom
\_ "Turn around, bend over, relax and think of Bill Gates."
\_ As someone who has never worked in industry you wouldn't
understand that offshore projects are 99% doomed to utter
failure. The successful ones only work with *rock* solid
contracts, *top notch* American managers, and lots of travel
and daily communication between the indians and the Americans
running the project. I've been there, done that, etc. They
can try it and after multiple multi million dollar losses and
dead projects, they'll abandon india for serious work. They
can keep the monkey QA jobs. Any company moving critical
work to india is doomed. Since this started with a BG quote,
let me ask this, "how much critical work has MS moved to
india?" Thought so.
\_ I won't bother responding to your head-in-the-sand
comments, but just will point out that I worked in
industry for 8 years. -tom
\_ Did you ever graduate, tom?
\_ No, but how is that relevant? -tom
\_ You seem bitter. It might be having an negative
impact on your perspective.
\_ I've never been a matriculated student at
Cal, so I don't know why I'd be bitter for
not graduating. -tom
\_ Who said Cal had anything to do with it?
That's a weak rhetorical dodge.
\_ You won't bother responding because you'd just open
yourself to being shot down again as we'd find out
you've never been associated with any sort of over
seas projects therefore your 'experience' is
meaningless in this context. My comments are not head
in the sand. They are the reality of having personally
witnessed multiple overseas projects waste 10's of
millions of dollars to produce *nothing* but welfare
for incompetent and veru sub-par indian coder monkeys.
\_ I think Tom counts grovelling at L&S as "industry"
\_ I worked for GE for 8 years. -tom
\_ How DARE you counter baseless ad hominem with
facts! -mice
\_ He still hasn't claimed any personal
knowledge of how overseas projects really
work or having worked with such people
himself. "X many years in industry" does
not mean he knows anything at all about the
topic here which is that overseas projects
are 99% fucked.
\_ I'd be remiss not to comment that most projects are doomed
from the beginning, offshore or not. However I disagree
that fighting H1-Bs is pointless. There is a case against
having workers being exploited locally. There are many
companies that don't farm out work offshore. People who
currently live in America have the right to fight to keep
their jobs by opposing H1-Bs. |