12/22 LOTR2: Enjoyed the movie but I was getting tired of the insane
number of closeups, especially in combats, where all I could see was
a blur with associated sword noises. It would've been nice to actually
_see_ the battle(s). The rest was very well done IMO. A-.
\_ you probably wish you could click on alternate angles huh?
You probably want to be able to zoom in and zoom out, just
like a video game.
\_ only because it was all blurred out closeups and i couldn't see
\_ mostly. Faramir was portrayd wrong, but other than that,
a damned thing most of the time. was that thing where he can
'hear' the orcs tromping around a full day ahead of him really
in the books? and is gandalf really "300 men's lives old"?
\_ Yes, and yes.
\_ Where does it say how old Gandalf is? -geordan
\_ The Istari arrived in Middle earth around year 1000
of the Third Age. This info is buried somewhere
in ROTK but I don't remember where it was. --aaron
\_ The arrival of Istari has nothing to do with
Gandalf's actual age, as he is older than Arda.
The line in the movie actually says something about
'wandering Middle Earth for 300 men's lives',
which might make sense given aaron's info (and
you don't count using Numenorean men). -- ilyas
\_ has anyone read the Silmarillion?
just wondering.
\_ I did. -- ilyas
\_ I actually enjoyed it. One of the two
people worldwide who did. -geordan
\_ yeah, not many people liked it.
I bet that book could shed light
on middle earth history.
\_ gee, you think that a book about
middle earth history could shed light
on middle earth history? what will
they think of next?
\_ does the Silmarillion mention
Gandalf?
\_ Why yes. Yes it does.
\_ If you get past or skip the beginning
"valaquenta" the rest is quite readable.
\_ so... it was like LOTR1?
\_ mostly. Faramir was portrayed wrong, but other than that,
it was great.
\_ Was he really? He never took the ring from Frodo. He took
Frodo for Gondor, not for himself, and immediately sent him to
to Faramir, and sets up the conflict between him and his father
in RoTK better IMO. I didn't like it at first, but I like it
better now. -emarkp
his father--not to keep for himself. It gave more screen time
\- the father isbeing played by marlon brando! --psb
to Faramir, and sets up the conflict between him and his
father in RoTK better IMO. I didn't like it at first, but I
like it better now. -emarkp [ reformatted - formatd ]
\_ This really annoyed me. Faramir is supposed to show the
antithesis to Boromir. He is supposed to show more hope that
man will not necessarily screw things up (more hope along
with Aragon). He is supposed to understand Frodo's plight
and pain more than the rest. I thought this was a grevious
mistake. The Entmoot also happened differently, but I can
forgive that due to time constraints. Overall, however, I
thought they did a good job. Moving the end of the second
book also annoyed me, not as good of a cliffhanger as the
book was.
\_ Agreed on the Faramir issue. The movie basically
ruined the entire point of Faramir's character, and I
can't see how this modification would help the
relationship that develops in RotK. It is unforgivable
in my opinion. -geordan
\_ See it a second time, although I agree in principle,
the movie hung together better on review. They had
to move the ending because ROTK is actually pretty
short, so they needed to push Shelob to ROTK. --aaron
\_ ok, i agree about shelob, but why take a detour
to gondor? what's the point? sam's monolog didn't
add, and making faramir unwise was just crazy. if
they wanted to save time, why add the gondor thing?
\_ To add spice and screen time to the trip to
Mordor. With Faramir, to show the corruptive
power of the Ring vs. humans. With Sam, to make
the later Shelob incident and his reasons for
sticking with Frodo more credible.
\_ But the point of Faramir is that he is one
of the last glimmers of nobility and honor
among Men. I think Peter Jackson was too
heavy-handed with his theme that the Entire
Race of Men (save for Aragorn) Sucks.
Even Theoden, who was supposed to have been
brought back to his original, nobler
stature by Gandalf, comes off as a pompous
ass at times, and a coward in others (in
the movie it is Aragorn, not Theoden, who
asks to ride out of Helm's Deep as a final
charge). -geordan
\_ I think you're taking it too personally.
There are Noble Men in 3T, but Faramir needs to look bad in those
scenes to extend Frodo and Sam's screen time/storyline. Theoden was
to make Aragon the big hero with the big payoff in the last movie.
It's only 10 hours of movie. You can't put in that much nuance and
still keep people awake and watching. Especially non-Tolkien fans.
\_ I agree. I also think they screwed up in making Gimli
into a comic-relief doofus. His axe needed to be bigger.
\_ two towers pretty good. gollum/smeagol good. faramir
bad. GIANT ORC BATTLES good. slimy wormtongue good.
gandalf is jesus christ... eh. hot hobbit on hobbit
action good.
\_ The axe is fine. You've been looking at too many
fantasy drawings/painting/miniatures. And someone has
to be a comic relief in the film.
\_ it's horrible that they gave Gimli's line about the
defense of Helm's Deep to Theoden. -tom
\_ Which line is that?
\_ In the book, Gimli is raphsodizing about Helm's
Deep (he's a dwarf, it's a cave) and says
"Give my people a year and we could make this
a fortress that armies would break upon like
water." In the movie, Theoden says a modified
version of the line, which makes no sense. -tom
\_ And it has the effect of making Theoden look
reckless, arrogant, and unwise, furthering
the Entire Race of Men Sucks theme. -geordan
\_ Liv tyler still looks asian-ish to me. I think the long beautiful
black hair really throws me off track here. I love women with
long beautiful black hair. :-)
\_ You've got Yellow Fever(tm)!
\_ get a fucking life
\_ hey, are you the guy who decided to "break up" with liv tyler
because she's a smoking airhead?
\- i think <DEAD>smoking-airhead.berkeley.edu<DEAD> would
be a good name for a csua computer --psb
\_ Get it right. It's smoking-slut-bitch.
\_ Someone hasn't gotten a blowjob in a while.
\_ he's a sodan. you're being obvious and redundant.
\_ to each his own. i like the way smoking is juxtaposed
to air.
\_ Good point. Smoking airhead it is... |
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