11/21   My brother is coming to visit me in Berkeley with his car. He wants
        to stay here for a week. He's never been on West coast before. Please
        list fun and interesting places to visit in the Bay Area and beyond.
        \_ touristy but not too touristy stuff in the city: lombard st.,
           chinatown, golden gate park (japanese tea garden), palace of the
           legion of honor, china beach, palace of fine arts / exploratorium
           area.
        \_ Just go to Oakland or SF and pick up some TV hookers.  That'll be
           a lot different than he's used to.  If not then your bro needs some
           outside professional help.
        \_ three of my favorite "views" of the City: Twin Peaks,
           Treasure Island, Carnelian Room (the first two are quick drives
                            \- i think that is a bad place to eat, price-perf
                               wise ... "dont eat at restaurants with a view
                               or that move"
           you can do(<15min. out of your way). the last is good for a drink).
        \_ touristy but not too touristy stuff in the city (this is kind
           of my 'routine for visiting relatives'): lombard st, chinatown,
           golden gate park (japanese tea garden), palace of the legion of
           honor, china beach, palace of fine arts / exploratorium area. Take
           him to some good restaurants, but that's a whole other thread.
           \_ Fisherman's Wharf, GG bridge, you forgot that.
              \_ And Alcatraz.
        \_ Drive down to Half Moon Bay/Moss Beach to visit tidepools.  Go
           to the moma, legion of honor.  Up to Napa, drink some wine.
           The aquarium in GG park.  Drive to Santa Cruz or Monterey.  Eat
           on the median by the Cheeseboard.  BART someplace at least once,
           even if just to go to a museum.  Get him drunk on sake and make
           him sing karaoke in Japantown.  While you're at it, convince him
           to get a tattoo.  Of a giant fish.  On his forehead.
        \_ Mitchell Brothers.
           \_ You know if you want non-generic advice beyond "go to
              alcatraz and napa" it would help to give some idea about
              what vague kind of thing you are looking for.  Going to the
              Monterey Aquarium vs. shoeshoe in Yosemite vs. Burrito in
              the Mission are pretty different kinds of trips.
              \_ LA is also west coast. Go to SoCal, Disneyland, San Diego
                 Hollywood, Rodeo Drive, Santa Cruz, Santa Barbara.
                 Oops you said fun and interesting, sorry.
                 How old is he? What's he interested in? Ethnicity? Native?
                 Where from? East coast? or just school there?
        \_ Does he come from some conservative part of the country?  If so,
           Telegraph might be enough for a shocking experience.
           \_ Hardly.  I came from a conservative part of the country and was
              in school when telegraph was much more fucked up and it was
              just this really dirty crime ridden street to my eyes.  They have
              those all over.
        \_ Also Muir woods for the redwoods and hiking.
        \_ Take him to the power exchange and tie him to a rack and let
           everyone there have their way with him. I bet that is something
           he wouldn't find in Kansas.
           \_ You'd be surprised what you can find in Kansas.  SF doesn't have
              a lock of kinky sex.  They're just more insecure about it so
              they need to make a big flashy show out of it.