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2002/10/22-23 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:26277 Activity:very high
10/22   http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/10/22/virgin.payout/index.html
        Try the poll.  Last time I voted, 16% says that the airline should
        pay for the seat.  That means that 16% of american are fat asses that
        requires two seats on a flight.  That is just sad.
        \_ Or they realize how much narrower seats are these days, when in the
           past the config was 2+2 and is now 3+3.  At some point el lardo
           must pay, but at which bit?  I do know that SWA shouldn't be putting
           them in the emergency aisle!
           \_ american planes already have amongst the widest seats. It's the
           The USA should ban transmorgified fatty-acids (crisco) and
              leg room that keeps getting shortened.
        \_ If you take up twice as much room, your should pay twice as much.
           The USA should ban transmogrified fatty-acids (crisco) and
           excitotoxic flavir enhancers. they are making people fat and
           causing syndrome X. (insunin resistance and high blood pressure etc)
             http://www.treelight.com/health/PartiallyHydrogenatedOils.html
        \_ some people can't help being that fat...it's genetic for them.
           as a compromise, they should pay 1.5X the regular seat. airlines
           should accomodate them. shit, america accomodates for every other
           "disability" that exists.
           \_ Being fat isn't a disability.  The number of people with
              actual hormonal problems who "can't help being fat" dwarfs
              the number of people who just overeat.
           \_ Yeah, my Twin-XL bed shouldn't have cost anymore than a
              regular twin bed despite it costs more to make and uses
              more resources. Yeah Right. If you eat more calories that you
              burn per day you gain wait until your energy consumption matches
              your caloric intake.
           \_ Less than 5% (I've heard 1%) of obesity cases are genetic. But
              maybe they should offer some seats that are 2 to an aisle instead
              of 3 that cost 50% more... this isn't communism, the general
              population shouldn't have to pay for the few that are overweight
              (whether it is due to genes or habits). It's not like safeway
              charges you per visit... you pay depending on how much you buy
              /consume.
        \_ it's not the number of seats but the weight that should be
           taken into consideration too -- more jet fuel
           \_ not to mention the safety hazards. getting stuck in aisles,
              crushing other passengers, etc
        \_ Screw the fat people.  They should all stay home until Jerry or
           Heraldo cuts down a wall and wheels them out on a truck to the
           hospital.
        \_ Actually, it just means that 16% of Americans are either fat
           or pinko commies that want to stick it to corporations whenever
           possible.  Even when it makes no sense. -jrleek
           \_ if you hadn't noticed, it's the corporations who want to
              stick it to Americans--the airlines in this case.
           \_ I hate those fat pinko commies that want to stick it where
              it makes no sense.
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QUICKVOTE If an obese passenger requires two seats on an aircraft, who should bear the cost? The airline The passenger 32 VIEW RESULTS VOTE Barbara Hewson, 63, was offered damages by Virgin Atlantic after suffering a blood clot, torn leg muscles and sciatica following a flight to Los Angeles in January 2001, the UK's Press Association reported. She said the woman passenger was so large she had to sit with the arm rests up, but when she complained, the crew said there was nothing they could do as the plane was full. Hewson, of Swansea, Wales, who still has medical treatment, was quoted by PA on Monday as saying: "It was never about the money. Virgin Atlantic said in a statement: "This was an unprecedented set of extremely unfortunate circumstances.
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www.treelight.com/health/PartiallyHydrogenatedOils.html
Summary Consuming partially hydrogenated oils is like inhaling cigarette smoke. They will kill you -- slowly, over time, but as surely as you breathe. They are the "active ingredient" in every bodily process you can name: * brain cell function and nervous system activity * hormones and intra-cellular messengers * glandular function and immune system operation * hemoglobin oxygen-transport system * cell wall function: + passing oxygen into the cell + passing nutrients into the cell + keeping foreign bodies out of the cell * digestive-tract operation + assimilating nutrients + blocking out allergens In short, the essential fatty acids (contained mostly in polyunsaturated oils) are the most important nutrients there are -- more important than vitamins, minerals, or even proteins. Hydrogenation is the process of heating an oil and passing hyrdrogen bubbles through it. The fatty acids in the oil then acquire some of the hydrogen, which makes it more dense. If you fully hydrogenate, you create a solid (a fat) out of the oil. But if you stop part way, you a semi-solid partially hydrogenated oil that has a consistency like butter, only its a lot cheaper. Because of that consistency, and because it is cheap, it is a big favorite as a butter-substitute among "food" producers. It gives their products a richer flavor and texture, but doesn't cost near as much as it would to add butter. Unlike butter, hydrogenated oils contain high levels of trans fats. A trans fat is an otherwise normal fatty acid that has been "transmogrified", by high-heat processing of a free oil. The fatty acids can be double-linked, cross-linked, bond-shifted, twisted, or messed up in a variety of other ways. The problem with trans fats is that while the "business end" (the chemically active part) is messed up, the "anchor end" (the part that is attached to the cell wall) is unchanged. So they take up their position in the cell wall, like a guard on the fortress wall. They let foreign invaders pass unchallenged, and they stop supplies at the gates instead of letting them in. In short, trans fats are poisons, just like arsenic or cyanide. They interfere with the metabolic processes of life by taking the place of a natural substance that performs a critical function. Your body has no defense against them, because they never even existed in our two billion years of evolution -- so we've never had the need or the opportunity to evolve a defense against them. Partially hydrogenated oils will not only kill you in the long term by producing diseases like multiple sclerosis and allergies that lead to arthritis, but in the meantime they will make you fat! Remember that the essential fatty acids are vital to every metabolic function in your body. You will get the quantity of essential fatty acids that you need to sustain life, no matter what. If you are consuming lots of saturated fats, you really have no choice but to become fat, because saturated fats contain only small quantities of the polyunsaturated fats that contain the essential fatty acids you need. The key to being thin, then, is to consume foods containing large amounts of polyunsaturated oils. Note: The difference between a "fat" and an "oil" is temperature. Change the temperature, and you can convert an oil into a fat, or vice versa. Partially hydrogenated oils make you gain weight the same way that saturated fats do -- by making you consume even more fat to get the the essential fatty acids you need. Not only do they produce disease over they long term, but they interfere with the body's ability to ingest and utilize the good fats! The essential fatty acids (the support troops) are waiting outside to get into the fort (the cell), so they can be distributed along the watchtower (the cell wall). Over time, more and more troops are finding lodging in town. 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The more labels you read, the more astonished you will be at the variety and number of places that this insidious little killer shows up. Do recoil in disgust, and do throw the product back on the shelf -- or throw it on the floor, where it belongs. Deep-Fried Foods: The Ultimate Killer Fortunately, this information is beginning to penetrate the public consciousness. The reporter got some of the details wrong, but the general message was right on the money. And the one surprising tidbit of information in the report was the fact that most of the deep-fried foods served in fast food joints are fried in partially hydrogenated oils! But if that heat is applied to a saturated fat, there is a limit to how much harm it can do. Your body can burn it for fuel, but it can't use it to carry out any of your metabolic processes. But because a saturated fat is inert, it can't be hurt much by heat. It's not all that good for you, but it's not terrible either. So if you're going to fry, fry in a fully saturated fat like lard, or coconut oil. So, of all the saturated fats, it is the one that is most easily burned for fuel. It's so good, in fact, that you don't even need to use very much to get a lot of flavor. For commercial deep frying, though, butter is prohibitively expensive. Still, were things fried in lard or coconut oil, they wouldn't be great, but they wouldn't be terrible. But that sounds bad, so one "healthy" Mexican restaurant advertised that they fried in vegetable oil. Admittedly, that's a lot better than partially hydrogenated oil. And if its relatively low heat frying (like in a frying pan), its probably not too bad. But you wouldn't want to subject the unsaturated fatty acids contained in a vegetable oil to the high heat of a deep frying vat. The result would be the same kind of trans fats that you get in the hydrogenation process! 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