10/4 how did John Walker Lindh even break the law, causing him now
to be sentenced to 20 years in jail? what's illegal with joining
the taliban, despite their unusual beliefs and practices?
\_ I think this is how it goes: 9/11 was done by Al Qaida, so we
\_ I guess this is how it goes: 9/11 was done by Al Qaida, so we
calssified Al Qaida as an enemy to this country. The Taliban is
assocated with Al Qaida, so we classified the Taliban as an enemy to
this country. Now, it is illegal for a citizen to join an enemy
to this country, so Lindh broke the law.
\_ ex post facto
\_ not so. he stayed there with them *after* 9/11 and *after*
he knew american soldiers were there fighting against his
terrorist pals. thanks.
\_ Yeah because walking out of a fanatical camp in the
middle of Afghanistan with no food, money, or support is
the best thing to do.
\_ 1) tough shit, 2) others managed to change sides or
safely surrender all over the place, 3) tough shit
\_ Who? Name one American citizen fighting with the
Taliban who did so. They'd have shot his ass as
a deserter. Lindh's going to jail because the
Feds have shown his lawyers enough evidence to
suggest he helped kill a CIA spook who was
conducting "interrogations" in the POW camp,
and his lawyers told him to take 20 over the chair.
\_ Why must it be an American I name? As far as we
know there was only 1 traitor there when Mike
Spann was murdered. Did you have a point? Your
cheesey 3rd grader quality attempt to redfine the
debate by putting words in my mouth was beyond
\_ IDF allows anyone to apply as long as they can read,speak Hebrew
ridiculous. Frankly, this stupid prick is safer
in a cell than on the street where someone is
going to kill this punk. He'll suck some prison
dick but he won't be dead which he should be.
\_ Don't be a schmuck. You must name an
American because JWL was an American and
would've been shot had he tried to defect
from the Taliban. Why he didn't ID himself
as such when the Spann and the rest of the
"interrogation" squad showed up is a
mystery, but perhaps he didn't know the
rest of the prisoners were going to riot.
My point is that he's going to jail not for
just being in the Taliban or being a "traitor."
\_ Child, I don't *have* to but because you're
so cute, I will anyway. Go look up the 4
guys that got picked up last week. 1 of
them didn't like his new psycho jihadi
friends and left. Jihad Johny didn't ID
himself because he (in his mind) was talking
to the enemy, ya know, the enemy, Americans.
A mystery? What utter crap. How can you
expect to be taken even halfway seriously
spewing about how a bus sized hole in your
line of 'reasoning' is simply a mystery
while simultaneously making bogus claims
about what I *have* to prove to you?
Because you lost based on reality and now
you lost on your new self-defined reality.
Go home, read some newspapers, keep up with
what's going on in the real world and you
won't be forced to look like a jerkoff here.
He was *LUCKY* to get only 20 years. It was
a *VERY* generous offer. If he pulled that
shit as a citizen of *any* other country on
this planet, he'd be dead if he was lucky
and never see the sun again if not. This is
the only country that doesn't execute
fucking traitors and other scum like JWL.
\_ John Walker is an American citizen, and thus owes allegiance to
this country (immigrants take the oath explicitly, he was born
into it). By fighting against American troops, he committed
treason. It's kind a scary anti-utopian word, but he can be tried
for it nevertheless. Personally I think he got off easy.
\_ treason is a scary anti-utopian word? say what? I agree that
he got off easy. So did all the FBI & CIA traitors who sold us
out to the soviets. Life in prison is way too easy.
\_ *Any* participation in a foreign militia is grounds for loss of
citizenship. Bush was soft. He should have had his citizenship
revoked, then put in federal prison, and when his prison term was
over, he should be deported.
\_ the only exception is Israel. Lots of Americans serve in the
Israeli military and wave the Israeli flag around. Who do
you think they're loyal to? Frankly, I think anybody who served
in ANY foreign military should be deported. Including all the
Israelis.
\_ Talk to your Reps about eliminating the possibility of dual
citizenship and while you're at it see if they'll get someone
to enforce the other weak immigration and citizenship laws.
\_ IDF allows anyone to apply as long as they can read,speak
Hebrew
\_ yeah how do they get around the law to do that?
that's always confused me.
\_ Wasn't Israel to become the 51st state? j/k ;p
\_ I thought that was Britain, although Blair denied it a
few days ago.
\_ Really? A recent episode of JAG talks about a jew in US
marine who goes to join the Israeli military, and whether he
should be treated as a traitor. I didn't watch the episode
and didn't know the outcome. I just heard the trailer on the
radio.
\_ No, not really at all. They're making shit up because the
average person doesn't know either way and accepts their
anti-semitic lies as facts.
\_ Please do not rely on TV drama to get your understanding of,
well, anything. My work here is done.
\_ You mean Westwing isn't real life?
\_ flying tigers.
\_ you mean the american pilots getting paid by uncle sam to
fight for the chinese using american weapons, american ammo,
lead by american commanders? those flying tigers?
\_ You are full of crap:
http://travel.state.gov/military_service.html
\_ True, but the little fucker is still a traitor and should be
shot.
\_ Relevant quote: "Although a person's enlistment in the armed
forces of a foreign country may not constitute a violation of
U.S. law, it could subject him or her to Section 349(a)(3) of
the Immigration and Nationality Act [8 U.S.C. 1481(a)(3)] which
provides for loss of U.S. nationality if an American
voluntarily and with the intention of relinquishing U.S.
citizenship enters or serves in foreign armed forces engaged in
hostilities against the United States or serves in the armed
forces of any foreign country as a commissioned or
non-commissioned officer."
So it looks like I just made the mistake that it's only
officers that are automatic. If you're not an officer you have
to be involved in hostilities against the US...like Lindh.
\_ Jeez! Don't you know a non-commissioned officer is an
enlisted man. You stupid Berkeley types who never understood
the military or it's structure. So no. You made a big
mistake.
\_ At least I can format @ 80 columns
\_ <Sigh> How pathetic and puny...
\_ Not all enlisted people are NCOs.
\_ Are you a dumbass? He said all NCOs are enlisted.
Your statement is true, but is not a refutation of
what he said, and is simply irrelevant. Your idiocy
is pissing me off, go away.
\_ On a related note, I heard that permanent residents here are allowed
to serve in our military, and maybe even required to served during
war time. How does that work with their citizenship elsewhere?
\_ Who cares what their third world homes have to say about it?
\_ But to whom are they supposed to be loyal?
\_ if they were so loyal, why did they leave?
\_ welfare for illegal aliens available here. |
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