9/21    Subcommittee on Social Security - Effects of Illegal Immigration
        http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/755043/posts
        \_ Food for thought:  If all businesses are made to comply with
           current immigration law, yes, you will have less incentive for
           illegal immigration.  You will also see a rise in costs and then
           prices as employees organize, demand reasonable wages (or even
           minimum wage), and strike.  Small farms, which rely on illegal and
           thus inexpensive labor, will see a drop in profitability.  Not that
           I'm saying any of this outweighs the benefits, but we should be
           aware of where this may lead. --erikred
           \_ And lower crime rates, lower costs for social services, hospital
              emergency rooms that have time for emergencies, schools that have
              the resources to teach and lower taxes to pay for the lesser
              burden on society.  We should be aware of where current illegal
              immigration has taken us already.
              \_ Actually, dear freeper, the immigrants, compared to true
                 blue Americans, tend to be much more hardworking, much less
                 dependent on social welfare, and overall very conservative
                 as a group on all social issues the "conservatives" cared
                 about, not that I agree with them.
                        \_ Ahh, nothing like pontificating from a position
                           of ignorance.  Even a cursory investigation
                        \_ I'm not a freeper, thanks.  And I'd like to see a
                           link showing any half baked statistics to back up
                           your highly questionable and worse than anecdotal
                           claims.  You're spewing, not saying anything worthy
                           of calling a reply or debating.  There's no meat on
                           your stick (so to speak).
                        \_ Nothing like pontificating from a position
                           of ignorance.  Your argument is
                           inconsistent with passage of Prop 187, for
                           example.  Exactly what motivates opposition
                           to immigration if, as you describe, the net
                           benefit is positive? Let me guess, racism?
                           Even a cursory investigation
                           into crime, welfare, and hospitalization
                           statistics indicates you are wrong.  Do not
                           misconstrue this an indictment of all (il)legal
                           immigrants.  The question is do the TOTAL costs
                           outweight the benefits, not just if your maid,
                           gardner and pool boy are paid slave wages.
                           And guess who loses in this game, the working
                           poor already here.
                \_ Yea, I think those illegal immigrants are kind of dumb.
                   It sucks to be an illegal immigrant in the US.
                   \_ It sucks harder to stay where they came from. --dim
                      \_ It sucks even harder to squeeze into a tiny van
                         or ship or trek across the desert or cross the
                         ocean and risk death to get here to send
                         $3/hr to the family back home. No, it's
                         easier to stay home and die, but they arent
                         going to take the easy way out. Same as
                         it's been for hundreds of years.
                         \_ When your maid service dates back to 1986 you know
                            you're dealing with criminals.