9/11    http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/news/news-attack-anniversary-pope.html
        how stupid can a pope be?
        \_ Not as stupid as the shrub. -chialea
        \_ It's an easy thing to say when it wasn't the Vatican on the
           receiving end.  Ya know, the same folks that caused more death,
           misery, wars, and suffering than any other single group on the
           planet in the world's entire history.  They said they were sorry
                \_ the pope was shot and almost assasinated.  He visited
                   and forgave his shooter.
                   \_ so?
                      \_ "It's an easy thing to say when it wasn't the
                          Vatican on the receiving end"
                \_ I think it's a close race with Stalin
                   \_ I'll grant you on body count but the popes
                      still have it on the multi-continent thing and total
                      time/lost generations.
                   \_ About how many did each of them kill?
                      \_ Some say about 20m of his own people for Stalin.  The
                         figures for the popes/church are not available or as
                         easily figured.  For example, do you count the dozens
                         of millions who died in South American at the hands
                         of the conquistadores with the pope's OK?  How many
                         on each side died during the crusades?  What effect on
                         public health did the pope's anti-science stance have?
                         One was a butcher of people, the other has murdered
                         entire societies and delayed human advances by several
                         centuries.
                         \_ Stalin never condoned having sex with children
                            \_ It's not the Catholic Church's fault.  It
                               was the will of the Great Spider.
                               \_ I'm gonna miss "Family Guy."
                                  \_ Me too.  However, that was a reference
                                     to South Park.
                  \_ If you want to talk total deaths, Hitler beats them all.
                     If you want to talk own people killed, probably Mao is #1.
                     \_ Hitler? Justify. You can't blame Hitler directly for
                        the WW2 military deaths since after all it was
                        Britain and France who actually declared war first.
                        This was after Poland and Stalin also invaded Poland.
                        Since Stalin and Hitler both "caused" WW2 and Stalin
                        killed ~20M in camps vs. Hitler's high ests. of 6M,
                        Stalin takes the cake.
                        \_ He declared war on the Soviet Union and troops
                           acting under his orders killed 20M Russians. Add
                           that to the 6M Jews and 4M or so other Eastern
                           Europeans killed at his command and he takes the
                           cake.
           for some of that stuff, now it's ok to take the moral high ground.
           Oh yeah, let's do it for the children.  We need to make sure
           there's enough children around to molest. --stupid pope #1 fan
           \_ you should go to a GWAR concert.  they kill the pope on stage by
              feeding him to a giant dinasaur.
        \_ What's the CSUA username/password at the NYtimes? :"For full
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           \_ csuamotd/csuamotd -geordan
                \_ Thanks.
        \_ So, why are you calling him stupid?
           \_ Troll.
              \_ and a fat one at that.  Some people actually do believe
                 in forgiveness and empathy and self examination...
                 \_ Don't feed trolls.