8/22 try to figure this one out. "tax cuts are not spending restraint,
they are spending." Sen. Lieberman in Iowa recently.
\_ tax cuts would be restraint if there was not deficit spending.
spending cuts are spending restraint. tax cuts == more debt.
\_ his assertion here is that you are spending money by giving it
to whomever the tax cuts favor. typically, rich people.
\_ as opposed to cutting unemployment benefits and health
benefits which are spending restraint
\_ As opposed to giving free money to someone so they will
vote for you and for more money. Democrats core
philosophy is class warfare.
\_ Purpose of govt is the curb the strong and protect the weak
\_ No, the purpose of government is to maintain order,
PROTECT OUR BORDERS, enforce the law and otherwise stay
the fuck out of the way. Go read the federalist papers
or the constitution or *something*. Civics, it does a
body good.
\_ Republicans just give the money to their rich friends instead.
Which is class warfare too, just of a different kind.
\_ You are wrong, conservatives want the
people who EARNED the money to keep it. Imagine
that, rewarding initiative.
\_ Hah! See? You all hate poor people! Don't you know
that the rich have a moral obligation to take care of
the poor? You can afford it even if you're still
paying a greater share of taxes by percent of your
income, by percent of the total tax take, and by a few
other percent counting methods (all of them, actually),
even after all the so-called tax breaks. Vicious, evil
money grubbers just don't understand what it's like to
be put down by The Man all the time! Send more free
money I haven't earned and I'll vote for you! -Democrat
\_ Ah, so the guilty liberal conscious finally
rears its ugly head. You are more than welcome
to subsidize whoever you want, whatever you
want, whenever you want.
However, when you take 40% of my money by coercion
to pay for Socialized everything that is tyranny!
Don't you see the inherent racism in your
comment - the unwashed masses (eg. brown people)
need me, the gallant liberal, to define
their existence. Fucking disgusting.
\_ you're both unconvincing. the above troll
clearly is bullshitting, and i don't believe
you are really what you say you are either.
train harder.
\_ it wasn't a troll, moron. its called sarcasm
and maybe irony & a touch of hyperbole as
well. it isn't my fault if _both_ of you are
too stupid to see it. at least the Right
recognised the Left's philosophy in my
so-called troll, whereas the Left is incapable
of recognising what they look like outside
their tight little Anti-Think niche. -!troll
\_ Tax cuts are no different than spending as far as keeping a balanced
budget is concerned.
\_ However there is an important distinction between spending which
means draining the economy of money through taxes for some sort
of artificial redistribution plan (communism) and reducing taxes
which requires lowering spending across the board and reducing
the size of government (one of the things true conservatives
believe in). And who said a balanced budget is good anyway?
Debt is not always bad. It depends on how big your debt, at
what rate(s), for what purpose(s) and how much you need to pay
back vs. your income.
\_ We're paying something like 25-33% of our national income
toward interest on our debt. Is that good debt?
\_ Liar. Or ignorant fool.
\_ Well "something like" could mean anything from 0-100.
\_ I'm not a specialist in macro-economics. I have no idea.
\_ Artificial redistribution plans? Like farm subsidies?
\_ Actually, yes, like farm subsidies and welfare, and a
whole bunch of other stupid wasteful programs that destroy
this country's soul. Yes. Artificial redistribution.
\_ Yeah, and public education. Another communist plot.
\_ Actually, I knew some Berkeley students who did
denounce public education as "communist". It
baffles me that someone who thinks so low of
public education decided to go to Berkeley.
\_ Right thats why evil vouchers would
allow those who pay the taxes in the first
place to choose a school for their children.
Freedom of choice, that is anticommunist.
And have you bothered to investigate
any of the allegations made? Our public
education system is in ruin, despite an throwing
endless stream of money at it. Yet, you
never stop to ask yourself why that is.
\_ Wow -- you sound like a true libertarian.
Sign your posts, man. I'm curious to know
who you are -- honest-to-god libertarians are
rare -- esp in berkeley. -mice
\_ <DEAD>www.geekpad.org<DEAD> is a house full of 'em...
in berkeley.
\_ I'm not at all libertarian but I 100% agree
with the above on the totally worthless
public schools and vouchers. And btw, this
country didn't always have public schools, yet
somehow the earth kept spinning and the sun
rose in the east every morning. Go figure. |
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