8/13    And just to save us all from this week's pathetic query: No. No one
        knows the answer to your stupid pine question.  Stop using pine.  Get
        a real mail client.  Use *anything* else.  Common suggestions are
        mutt and mh (or nmh which is 99% the same thing).  Thank you.
        \_ I stand in awe of your trolling brilliance.
        \_ re: butt.  if you want a transition from pine to butt, use elm
           \_ Thanks.  Just doing my part to keep it interesting.  --OP
        \_ fuck off.  It's just email.  I read some, write some, delete many,
           for a while.  smaller and cleaner than pine, with menus with the
           same UI (pretty much) as butt. pst
           \_ there is absolutely no reason to run elm.  butt is also
           and pine works.  some of us don't need to prove our manhood by
        \_ if you search for it, there is a muttrc that remaps all of the
           the mail client we use.  and no, I never ask pine questions on the
           motd.
        \_ re: mutt.  if you want a transition from pine to mutt, use elm
           mutt? it doesn't even work with html mail oob -- the average user
        \_ if you search for it, there is a buttrc that remaps all of the
           for a while.  smaller and cleaner than pine, with menus with the
           same UI (pretty much) as mutt. pst
           \_ there is absolutely no reason to run elm.  mutt is also
           butt? it doesn't even work with html mail oob -- the average user
              smaller and cleaner than pine.  if you're going to switch,
              switch to something decent.  -tom
              \_ some people take some time to wean themselves off menus.
                 this is the path i took.  it was just a suggestion -scotsman
        \_ Transition from pine to mutt is quite painful. First you notice
                 \_ mutt has as many menus as elm.  -tom
           remapped. Various mutt defaults give you a very raw experience
           compared to pine (e.g. mutt displays full headers by default,
        \_ if you search for it, there is a muttrc that remaps all of the
           keys so it feels like you're using pine.  This is the best solution
           that most of that can be fixed by writing a 20-line muttrc, though,
           to the transition problem i've seen.
        \_ do you seriously think the average pine user is going to switch to
           configurable (though, mutt wins in this area). They really did get
        \_ Transition from pine to butt is quite painful. First you notice
           mutt? it doesn't even work with html mail oob -- the average user
           remapped. Various butt defaults give you a very raw experience
           compared to pine (e.g. butt displays full headers by default,
           isn't going to understand why not. they don't want to go stfw
           for this and that, either.
           that most of that can be fixed by writing a 20-line buttrc, though,
           \_ you're an idiot.
              \_ you're a dipshit.
           configurable (though, butt wins in this area). They really did get
           \_ this is the stuff that windows is made of.
              \_ face it, sometimes you need to read html mail, maybe because
                 someone else is stupid. the necessity of reading manuals and
                 tweaking things is endemic to power user tools -- the people
                 asking pine questions are not power users.
        \_ Transition from pine to mutt is quite painful. First you notice
           that many pine keys which you have been using for -years- have been
           remapped. Various mutt defaults give you a very raw experience
           compared to pine (e.g. mutt displays full headers by default,
           pressing space at the end of message makes the pager load the next
           message, html mail is not handled well, etc). Eventually you learn
           that most of that can be fixed by writing a 20-line muttrc, though,
           that's still a pretty rocky transition and not recommended for
           non-geeks. I still think pine is a pretty good program and is quite
           configurable (though, mutt wins in this area). They really did get
           the user interface right (that doesn't include pico, I prefer using
           vim as the text editor). I still use it on my other unix accounats.
           \_ god forbid one has a consistent user interface, where exiting a
              given menu is always 'q', etc.  and this is why you ASK GEEKS
              FOR HELP.  They will point you to decent sample config files.
              Ease of use is a few small steps away.
        \_ So you're pathetic existence has been reduced to this - insulting
           those who ask benign questions on the MOTD.
           \_ They're not benign questions.  They really are, purely, a waste
              of time.  I'd love to see someone be proactive about this and
              pkg_deinstall pine -scotsman
              \_ uh,.. right.  so you're saying that answering a question
                 is a "waste of time", but participating in a
                 flame war about wether or not it's a waste of time
                 isn't a waste of time?  you are truly an idiot.
                 \_ You're the one flaming, boy.  Unsigned, too.
                    Get a life, and then perhaps your opinion can matter.
                    --scotsman
                 \_ from my cold, dead fingers buddy
        \_ Let's say you get your wish and all the pine users switch to
           mutt.  The same clueless people will be asking tons of
           questions on the motd about mutt.  How is this any better?
           \_ one is more productive
              \_ how so?
                \_ if they're using mutt, there are ways to accomplish what
                   they are asking.  -tom
                   \_ mutt is for idiots who really think that riding a
                      bicycle is more efficient than driving a car
                   \_ And if your grandmother had a wheel, she'd be a
                      wheelbarrow. So what?
                   \_ Please name one problem posted to the motd that
                      couldn't be accomplished with pine.