5/17 Does anyone have a sample .screenrc that remaps the keys so that
screen does not eat the emacs editing keys (like ctrl-a, ctrl-e, etc)?
(Also, please motdedit to change this file, damn it)
\_ ok
\_ yes. -geordan
\_ ED! ED! ED IS THE STANDARD! VT100 screen manager
\_ Bah. Curses has made society weak. Use a teletype or adm3a term.
\_ Is it ED compatible?
\_ how exactly does screen eat ctrl-e? and what would you suggest as an
ideal alternative to ctrl-a?
\_ ^o. Nothing I've come across uses ^o. --scotsman
\_ pine uses ^o.
\_ like i said, nothing worth using uses ^o. --scotsman
\_ don't use pine. pine users are always the ones with the
problems and complaints no one else has. figure it out
already. drop pine.
\_ Pine is so full of holes is not even funny. Don't use
Pine.
\_ If you have reached the level of enlightenment where
you are using screen, you should already have left pine
behind long ago.
\_ What's so wrong with pine anyway?
\_ It's a mail client for kids. It's also a fucking
mess. If it was a decent mail client, you wouldn't
see 95% of email problems on the motd coming from
pine users.
\_ None of those are problems. I'm not trying
to pick a fight, just curious.
\_ When all my pine users complain about how hard
it is to use pine or configure pine or how can
I do XYZ in pine and no one else does, it's
time to /bin/rm pine. Pine is a problem.
/bin/rm is the solution.
\_ Is this because your users are stupid,
or because pine is actually bad?
\_ Well using the CSUA user base as a
sample set, we must decide between:
1) users choose mail client at random and
pine is just bad,
2) only stupid users choose pine, there's
nothing wrong with pine, it's just
that only stupid people choose it,
3) pine is bad and only stupid people
would choose it.
You can decide for yourself.
\_ Pine still has better mime support than MH-e and
most other mail readers.
\_ use mutt. and if you're having trouble with mime and
mh, you're not doing it right.
\_ soda [~] % ps -aux | grep mutt | wc
13 147 928
soda [~] % ps -aux | grep pine | wc
65 739 4571
\_ sigh... sad. But people using (n)mh won't show on a ps
because they're not chewing resources continuously.
\_ I also seem to recall some OCF staff mail where a user
had some problems cuz he would ^Z pine and logout... are
all of those active pine processes? Also, if I was stuck
using pine, I'd leave it open just so I didn't have to wait
the years it takes to load the entire mailbox into memory.
\_ I use ctrl-d: screen -e^Dd. No problems with emacs (or the shell
exiting when you type ctrl-d)
\_ and then what do you use for EOF? --scotsman
\_ Nothing. I never issue a EOF by hand.
\_ You never cat > file? what do you use as a shell that
doesn't have a variation on ignoreeof?
\_ I use ctrl-o, because it's not really used anywhere else
outside of telnet. -geordan
\_ and pine/pico... crap, did I say that aloud?
\_ pine/pico... can you hear me laughing?
\_ just get used to ctrl-a, it's easier than you think.
\_ then i'd have to get used to vi-mode for my shell.. too much
of a hassle.
\_ if the emacs function you have ^A bound to is idempotent, you can
get into the habit of hitting ^A twice, even when not using screen.
\_ And then change your habit on machines that you don't have
screen on? It's reasoning like this that keeps microsoft
dominant.
\_ No, it's abuse of monopoly power that keeps MS dominant.
\_ I use ^]. Only telnet uses this, as far as I know.
\_ So does screen, for pasting from its cutbuffer.
(Actually, both ] and ^] are mapped to paste.) -geordan
\_ Well, you're not likely to use screen inside of screen.
\_ You'd be surprised. And yes, that path does lead
to madness. -geordan
\_ The path to enlightenment runs through the valley
of madness.
\_ There's something almost deep in there but I can't
figure out what.
\_ /usr/local/valley/of/madness/enlightenment/bin
Huh. Whaddayaknow, it does. -geordan |
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