5/15    When people talk about jizz, does that include schwang? What about the
        music in the Roaring 20's when that is obviously not jazz music?
        What about the blues?
        \_ Jazz generally includes both blues and swing.  You'll have to
           be more specific when you say "music...that is obviously not
           jazz music."  Certainly, music which is not jazz is not called
           jazz, but most of what you'll hear from the 1920's is jazz. -tom
        \_ By "music in the Roaring 20's" do you mean big band?  I think big
           band is also considered jazz.
           \_ Yes.  -tom
              \_ Wow. Hey tom, are you a jazz musician?
                \_ I play trombone.  I wouldn't really classify myself as
                   a musician.  -tom
           \_ Big Band is jazz, but not really a '20's phenomenon. More 30's
              and 40's. But, the 20's is referred to as the Jazz Age. The
              popular music from that time is the start of jazz, which has
              continued to evolve to today (just like Elvis doesn't sound
              like Radiohead).
        \_ Don't forget dixieland..  and bebop..  and ragtime..
        \_ Jazz and Blues are related but many musicologists put them into
           separate boxes. The basic structures of blues and jazz can be very
           different, e.g. 12-bar blues and 32-bar jazz patterns.
           \_ Blues is a genre of Jazz.
                \_ Incorrect. Blues existed before jazz (even Ken Burns got
                   that right). Blues is best thought of as a collection
                   of basic song forms (12 bar blues, 8 bar, 16 bar, etc)
                   that has been incorporated into a variety of American
                   musical styles such as jazz, "R+B", rock and many types
                   of contemporary folk music. Blues, in a very real sense,
                   is the progenitor of much American music. When musicians
                   talk about blues, they often talk of "Delta blues", or
                   "jazz blues," etc because these different musics have
                   their own versions of blues derived from an earlier
                   "ur"-blues.  fab
                   \_ BLUESHAMMER Is the STANDARD MISSISSIPPI DELTA BLUES BAND!
        \_ so is Frank Sinatra considered blues?
           \_ ahahahahhahahahahahahahaaahahahahahahahah~!!!!!1!!!!!
                \_ It's accurate to say that Frank Sinatra sang some blues,
                   but  not in the same way that say Ma Rainey migh have
                   sung them. He also sang many songs that have become
                   standard in the jazz repertoire, often with a swing
                   feeling, but also in a distinct manner. fab