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2002/4/18 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:24484 Activity:nil
4/18    http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/comment/0,10551,685169,00.html
        Israel is creating the terror infrustrature as we speak.
        \_ Uhm yeah.  Once again, be careful of your sources.  The Guardian
           will print anything.  Anything Left.  Anything Anti-Israel.
           Anything Anti-American.  It doesn't have to be true or even close
           to true.  The British have a much difference sense of what good
           journalism is than Americans.  We don't always do it right but
           many in this country at least try.
           \_ Is the Guardian mainstream newspaper or is it supermarket
              tabloid?
              \_ In Britain there isn't a difference.  That's the point.
                 There are some on the motd who rag on the washington post as
                 a moonie-paper and instantly dismiss anything from the wp.
                 I'd take the WP as The One True Word long before I accepted
                 *anything* from a British fish wrap like the Guardian.
              \_ The Guardian, The Telegraph and The Times are the three
                 most well respected English newspapers, on par with
                 The Times and The Post. The above poster is seriously
                 confused. He can't even bother to figure out the difference
                 between the Washington Post and the Washington Times. Either
                 that or he is deliberately trying to mislead you.
                 \_ Moonie this, Washington Whatever that.  Who cares?
                        \_ i think it's a big deal a fairly
                           major newspaper is owned by the fucking moonies.
                           why don't you?
                 \_ "well respected" by whom?  Read the damned article.  It
                    would be lucky to get a spot as an op/ed piece in any
                    semi-self-respecting American paper.
                    \_ http://www.guardian.co.uk/Print/0,3858,3932025,00.html
                       http://www.guardian.co.uk/Print/0,3858,3932086,00.html
                       \_ Christ oh mighty!  Where did you learn to not read?
                          These are British awards and Net awards to a British
                          rag.  It's like the Fox Committee awarding the fox
                          an award for Best Keeper of Chicken House.  Damn!
                          \_ You are right. The rest of the world is wrong.
                             End of argument. Do you have a similarly low
                             level of regard for the Pulitzer prizes?
                             \_ Like the ones where they give awards out for
                                stories based on lies?  Yes, I do.  Please try
                                to be more aware of your surroundings.  It's
                                intellectually safer that way.
                             \_ The pulitzer used to mean something, but
                                these days it yet another highly political
                                award, just like the Peace Prize.
                    \_ American papers suck (except for San Jose Mercury News)!
                       \_ I used to read the People's Daily World (later
                          renamed the People's Weekly World after the Soviets
                          fell).  Now that was *quality*.
                          \_ Seriously, everyone knows American papers suck.
                             Read Economist instead!
                             \_ No thanks.  The People's Yearly World is good
                                enough for me.
                      \_ Yeah. The merc's is the only one with a Fry's section!
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