Berkeley CSUA MOTD:Entry 24266
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2002/3/28-29 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:24266 Activity:insanely high
3/28    So how many people believe the U.S. was involved in bringing
        down the WTC in order to create endless oilwar as well as blind
        flag waving/rights-waiving obeissance etc?
        \_ How many?  Only the stupid and the paranoid ones.  Count them up.
        \_ It was the Mossad.
           \_ you misspelled "yermom."
           \_ Sure, blame the Jews.  You know it was the ANC.
        \_ The US didn't do it, but knew it was going to happen
           and turned a blind eye to the possiblity:
           stunning the growing protests of globalization just before
           \_ Wouldn't be the first time that the TPTB overlooked
              an impending disaster (ex. FDR and Pearl Harbor)
              \_ or manufactured one (e.g., Tonkin Gulf, resulting
                 in U.S. entering the Vietnam War) -- the government
                 admits this openly now.
                 \_ USS Maine and the Spanish American War, USS Greer
                    and WWI, the list goes on.
                    \_ You mean USS Greer/WWII, right? What is odd
                       about that incident? UBoats sank quite a few US
                 \_ Greer was WWI. She was the first ship fired upon
                    by germans, but this was in self defense (the
                       destroyers before the US entry. Do you think they
                       were all hoaxes or something?
                       \_ Greer was WWI. She was the first navy ship fired
                          on by germans, but this was in self defense (the
                          Greer was depth charging the Uboat in question)
                          Wilson "forgot" that the Greer was under orders
                          to depth charge Uboats when we went before congress
                          and urged the US entry into WWI. It wasn't exactly
                          lying, but it was shady.
                             Maybe the same incident happened in both
                             wars with the same ship, but I kind of doubt
        \_ and
        \_ don't forget masking the inevitable economic downturn and
           the stunning growing protests of globalization just before
           they IMF/WB went to WDC
           \_ yeah all those dotcommers outa work could cause a lot
              of hell if they identified the real problem
              \_ Actually this was a problem for most large corporations.
                 Once the supply of labor was getting short, costs went
                 up. When the dotcoms who couldn't outlast a yearlong
                 recession and died, the supply of labor shot up and
                 corporation costs have gone down.
        \_ Not that I'm discounting the theory, but why is there a
           conspiracy theory for every major event in history?  Next thing
           you know, the gov't conspired to bring the asteroid in to kill
           off the dinosaurs.
           \_ Cuz government by definition IS a conspiracy, one which is
              well-funded and controls who the "rules" apply to and which
              commits every action with social control and the maintaining
              power (gained via the conspiracy of government) as its
              paramount concern.  Off-the-shelf formulas are used frequently.
              \_ "by definition".  Uhm ok.  Whatever.  No cookie, troll.
           \_ The government bringing in asteroids to kill the dinosaurs?
              Nothing could be more absurd.  Everyone knows it was space
              aliens. -geordan
        \_ it was the gays. -rev. falwell
                \_ and we all know what a healthy lifestyle many of them lead.
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Part 1: Warnings in advance By Patrick Martin 16 January 2002 36 Use this version to print | 37 Send this link by email | 38 Email the author See 39 Part 2: Watching the hijackers, 40 Part 3: The United States and Mideast terrorism, and 41 Part 4: The refusal to investigate It is not necessary to postulate an all-embracing conspiracy, extending from the White House to the airline security personnel who let the armed hijackers board the planes, to believe that there is much more to the story of the September 11 attacks than the American public has been told so far. Certainly the least likely and least credible explanation of that day's events is that the vast US national security apparatus was entirely unaware of the activities of the hijackers until the airliners slammed into the World Trade Center and Pentagon. 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Page 114 PAPER XXIX "This was piracy-legally and morally. Destroyer GREER, proceeding in full daylight toward Iceland, had reached a point southeast of Greenland. The submarine deliberately fired a torpedo at the GREER, followed later by another torpedo attack. In spite of what Hitler's propaganda bureau has invented, and in spite of what any American obstructionist organization may prefer to believe, I tell you the blunt fact that the German submarine fired first upon this American destroyer without warning, and with deliberate design to sink her. Our destroyer, at the time, was in waters which the Government of the United States had declared to be waters of self-defense-surrounding outposts of American protection in the Atlantic. In the north, outposts have been established by us in Iceland, Greenland, Labrador, and Newfoundland. Through these waters there pass many ships of many flags. 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Francisco Gil-White studies ethnicity and ethnic conflict in the University of Pennsylvania Psychology Department. He is also deputy editor of Emperor's Clothes and so I take it personally when U. We will be posting several articles about this and urge our readers to express their views. But it was NATO and the UN who groomed those terrorists and put them in power! Article from Sunday Mirror Comments by Jared Israel Posted 10 December 2003 Tidal wave of antisemitism: are we in 1931? This report is much more serious than we thought based on the 117 Financial Times article. First, the antisemitic attacks go way beyond immigrant Muslim communities. They are being incited by the 'respectable' press with, for example, Israel-as-crucifier attacks in 118 Aftonbladet in Sweden and 119 La Stampa in Italy. After being suppressed, the Report was grudgingly released by the EU, complete with three mind-numbing introductions. The important part is the information about what's happening in 14 European countries, so we've set up that section (most of the report and all the information) as 120 one large file. We want very much to distribute this and some of our own texts on antisemitism in French, Italian, Polish, Russian, other languages. Did Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir push the boundary of 'acceptable' discourse to the Hitlerian extreme? The EC editor argues that Mahathir's speech was intended to make political antisemitism legitimate. His opponent argues that Mahathir wasn't expressing bigotry at all; Hint: Not just an anti-Semite 123 April 1999: Mahathir tells NATO to Invade Kosovo Comment by Jared Israel 1 December 2003 Text of Financial Times article charging that the EU suppressed a report on antisemitism with EC Editor's comments 124 What do the European Union, George W. Francisco Gil-White's 128 Guest Editorial in the Daily Pennsylvanian The comments at the bottom of 129 Guest Editorial are worth reading. In response to readers' questions, EC editors analyze information almost nobody knows. A note from EC Deputy Editor Francisco Gil-White Posted 12 September 2003 140 "I refuse to be tainted by association with Fascism" Colin Meade's statement regarding attacks on Emperor's Clothes. Appendix B of that document was almost surely written to make it impossible for Yugoslavia to sign. See the 141 full text of Appendix B, with notes by Jared Israel. Francisco Gil-White's 142 analysis of NATO's Rambouillet strategy. A back-and-forth debate that we think reveals a mental malady afflicting academia. Francisco Gil-White was recently invited to participate in an academic discussion of suicide bombing on the "Interdisciplines" Website. This developed into a sharp, general debate on the Arab-Israeli conflict between Prof. We've collected 14 of the most revealing and interesting posts. Whatever your current opinions about the Middle East, this debate is a must-read. You will see the pro-PLO arguments which dominate US universities in head-to-head combat with the arguments of an anti-PLO scholar, Prof. It is especially educational for people who, like the editors of Emperor's Clothes, used to support the PLO because they were swayed by emotional arguments instead of studying the record. The three pro-PLO academics put forward widely held beliefs, aggressively asserting that they are based on established fact - only to have said "facts" exploded by Gil-White. Gil-White develops a unified theory for understanding Palestinian suicide bombing. There he brilliantly explains suicide terror as political theater staged by Palestinian leaders in reckless contempt for "their" people. To provide "evidence" of al...