3/9     took you hosers long enough... and don't give me that "unpaid" crap...
        ocf was up 24 hours ago.
        \_ sure, but soda hall got power back later. considering eecs inst
           (handled by PAID people) is still down as of 5a today, kudos to
           root!
           \_ ya, I know... I was being somewhat facetious.
           \_ eecs instr aren't paid for 24x7 work.  they're government
              employees.  i wouldn't use them as a basis for comparison when
              looking for quality or dedication.
                \_ They're barely paid enough to live in the bay area.
                   Industry sysadmins make 2-3 times what UCB pays.
                   \_ Bullshit.  I've been both.  It's no 3x.  And the reason
                      for the low pay is the low skill level and shitty third
                      rate attitude at UC and other government jobs.  I'd take
                      an industry or student system over a UC admin system
                      anyday.
                        \- i think ucb sysadmins are a pretty mixed bag.
                        think of the spectrum running from jkh <-> csnory
                        [and that is in the same organization]. lbl has
                        sysadmins with their names in CSRG BSD, GNU projects
                        and also people for whom it is hard to determine if
                        their net productivity is 0 or negative [seriously].
                        my guess is the really shitty sysadmins are places
                        where the pay is ass and there arnt other benefits,
                        say a community college in decatur [sp?] --psb
                      \_ industry sysadmins got all laid off a year ago.
                         \_ Uh huh and like none of them got new jobs because
                            ya know once you get laid off once you're not ever
                            allowed to work again, right?  Stop reading the
                            shitty SF Chronicle.  Reality won't be found there.
                      \_ Sorry to inject facts into this discussion, but
                         the salary survey done last year found Berkeley
                         tech staff lagged the industry in pay by an average
                         of 11%.  -tom
                         \_ what if we ignored people like strick?
           \_ eecs inst is much more complicated than CSUA and has
              more dependencies on other department services.
              \_ mikeh (who is also EECS staff for IRAM/ISTORE) brought
                 CSUA stuff up because he was already in soda for work.
           \_ I second that! Thanks for getting soda back up!