3/3     Doh.  I missed out on the answer to the "Can we run php on Soda?"
        thread and I can't seem to find an answer on the Soda webpage.
        Are there any plans afoot to implement php on Soda?  --erikred
        \_ For the fifth time, no.  If you want to run php, build it yourself,
           and run it via CGI mechanisms.
           \_ why not?
              \_ Grumble.  From the CSUA FAQ:
                 We expect our members to be at least somewhat computer
                 literate, and to have an interest in learning and
                 experimenting. Because of that, and the fact that our staff
                 are all volunteers, we don't serve the users in the same way
                 someplaces like the [19]OCF does.  This doesn't mean soda is
                 especially unreliable or uncared for, it just means we expect
                 people to be better able to fend for themselves.
                 ...
                 9. Soda doesn't have XXX installed, could you please install
                 it?
                 No. Except in special cases, soda staff does not install
                 software on request. Soda is meant to promote a user
                 community, and as such we encourage people to make their
                 own contributions by installing new software. In addition,
                 installing software can be a great learning experience
                 (and is how a number of soda staff got their start). If
                 you wish to install something on soda, just send mail to
                 root asking for the necessary permissions to do so.

                 Furthermore, the majority of sodans don't have php-enabled
                 web pages, so the extra overhead of running php from within
                 Apache (i.e. mod_php) is wasteful.
                 \_ This is a stupid response.  Obviously, mod_php is much
                    more interesting than the CGI version, and a user can't
                    install mod_php.  A decision on whether the small amount
                    of extra resources required for mod_php is worthwhile
                    should be made by the people who run the machine, not
                    some anonymous coward on the MOTD.  (If you can manage
                    to get the people who run the machine to respond to
                    e-mail).  -tom
                    \_ No, it isn't a stupid response.  Saying "please install
                       PHP" is just the beginning...   "OK, but I need the
                       gd charting module!  and the DB access module!  what
                       about the LDAP module?"  ad infinitum  If it were just
                       one "portinstall -P", sure, why not.
                        \_ no it's a stupid response, grumpy root person.
                           it's not like installing software is actually
                           difficult in these days of ports and packages,
                           big freakin' deal.  doesn't anyone enjoy
                           a challenge anymore?
                                \_ sysadmins work for pay these days -ex-vp
                    \_ tom, I'm just parroting the response that root staff
                       gave the last three times this was asked.  Fuck off.
                       - anonymous coward on the MOTD.
        \_ Thank you.  --erikred
        \_ why don't ou just run PHP on ocf?