2/3     Does anyone know how ISPs like comcast are going about detecting
        the presence of nat devices?
        \_ this is illegal because?
           \_ not illegal, but some ISPs prohibit them in their terms of
              service.
                \_ what isps do that?
                   \_ AT&T, for one.
                        \_ That's why AT&T sent me info saying it's ok if I
                           run a server or do NAT but they can't help with
                           technical problems, right?
                           \_ Sure they did, you lying sack of shit.
                              http://www2.etreenews.org/article.php?sid=487
                              \_ *lol*  Excuse me but fuck you, I have the
                                 SF Bay Area AT&T User Agreement and that's
                                 exactly what it says.  You are allowed to
                                 grow up now.
                                 \_ *lol*? This isn't aol buckwheat. I posted
                                     perfectly accurate and actually helpful
                                     information, which you disagreed with.
I like this flamewar ==>             information, which you disagreed with.
                                     If you have nothing useful to add, just
                                     go away.
                              \_ I think the difference is between using NAT
                                 for computers at one residence and using it
                                 across multiple residences.
        \_ How can they detect that? doesn't their network just see
           one machine (the one running the ip forwarding?)
           \_ some ISPs will look at the MAC address to see if you've got a
              router hooked up.  Of course, this won't work if you've got a
              desktop doing NAT, and a lot of routers can use a spoofed MAC
              address.
                \_ so how else is NAT done?
                   \_ huh?
        \_ This thread was beat to death on /. a week or so ago.