1/15    sodans beware: sf is outlawing homelessness.-brown
        \_ I'll bite: Yes, homeless people should be enabled by the government.
           Because you know that getting off the streets would ruin their
           lifestyle choice.  Seriously, what really bugs me about this is
           that in the 80s when Reagan's people were saying some people
           preferred homelessness as a lifestyle choice they were harshly
           criticised (and rightly so).  Now the ultra left is saying the same
           thing in the same way and anyone who tries to do anything that
           might actually help a person get off the streets is harshly
           criticised.  As if the right thing to do is 'assist' the homeless
           at being homeless instead of helping with drug rehab, job training,
           and getting them cleaned up so they can get a job somewhere.  Yes,
           rejoining and being a productive member of society is somehow a bad
           thing in some people's eyes.  sodans beware: SF is a seething pit
           and a wreck of a city.-!brown
                \_ how is stealing homeless people's shopping carts going
                   to help them?  -tom
                   \_ By returning property to the owners who agree not to
                      have the homeless person arrested posession of stolen
                      goods.
                        \_ har har.  -tom
           \_ You are looking at the problem incorrectly. Can you force
              someone who is an addict or has mental problems to get
              treatment without infringing their personal rights? How do you
              treat those who refuse your assistance?
                \_ well, before Reagan, there was federal funding to keep
                   people who were mentally disfunctional, but not a threat
                   to others, in institutions.  Reagan's brilliant idea
                   was that if you kick them out of the institution, they'll
                   magically become functional.  The thought process is really
                   the same as Willie's--"the only reason there are homeless
                   people is that no one has given them a kick in the ass."
                   I'm sure Willie's campaign will be as much of a success
                   as Ronnie's.  -tom
                   \_ So you meant those 6-foot 200-pound muscular healthy-
                      looking homeless men can't get jobs at a moving company
                      or a wearhouse?  They look like I need more food than
                      they do.
                        \_ har har.  -tom
        \_ The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as
           the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and
           to steal bread.