12/27   WTF? Do I have to pay for cable to get NBC now??
        \_ it's on chan 3
           \_ my chan 3 has luigi on it
              \_ 3 on cable.
        \_ kntv 11?
           \_ Tried it, all I got was snow.
              \_ kntv 11 is for the San jose region.  They advertised it
                 on the radio that it would be on kntv 11 starting on
                 jan 1.
        \_ You only need to pay if you can't get kntv on your rabbit ears.
         There's some trivial number of people in the bay area that won't
         be able to get the new signal via some cable/air/satellite/etc.
           There's some trivial number of people in the bay area that won't be
           able to get the new signal via some cable/air/satellite/etc.
           Anyway, it's only NBC.  It isn't like there's anything on there
           worth watching anyway.  If you read the local papers you'd know
        \_ Live in Oakland, can't get 11. The Olympics are on NBC.
           I won't be watching. I ain't paying for cable. Wha.
           \_ it's NOT a trivial number, no matter how the media conglom
                 increase their signal strength to pull in a bigger viewing
                 base.
              spins it to the FCC. Lots of folks in the Bay Area
              can't get channel 11 thru the air and dont' have
              cable or "satellite".
              \_ why would the media conglomerate lie to the FCC?  if anything,
                 they'd be telling the FCC that they need to be allowed to
                 increase their signal strength to reach that "trivial number",
                 and in the process get a larger viewer base.
                 \_ It's cuz NBC got outbid for an excellent station in
                    a prime media outlet and they lost NFL. Then
                    they try to screw the new owners with a new
                    reverse-billing contract. Then they say "fuck
                    KRON" and go buy KNTV.
              \_ "Wah wah wah . . . I live in SAN FRANCISCO, DAMNIT, the MOST
                 IMPORTANT CITY IN THE WORLD, and I have a GOD-GIVEN RIGHT to
                 watch INANE NETWORK TELEVISION that should be PROTECTED BY
                 MY GOVERNMENT!!!1!!  Look at me!!  I'm special!!"
                 I live in San Jose (an insignificant city south of SF that
                 you probably haven't heard of), and I've *never* been able
                 to get KRON or any of our other "Bay Area" TV stations over
                 the air.  It pleases me immensely to see a bunch of self-
                 righteous San Francsicans suddenly in the same boat, whining
                 about how they CANNOT BE IGNORED (and defending network TV!)
                 \_ Switch to decaf, bro.
                 \_ Hooray for strawmen!
                 \_ i think kcra (channel 3 out of sacramento) gets nbc feeds
        \_ Anyone know what's happened to KRON?  Did they get dumped by NBC?
           \_ KRON dumped NBC
                \_ NBC wanted big $$$ from KRON, they refused, KNTV agreed
                   to pay, and then, recently, to be bought out by NBC
                   completely
           about the change.  It's been in both the business and entertainment
           sections.