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In 1945 there were two people of arabic descent living in Palestine for every Jew. Vall these people what you want, but they sure as hell weren't Puerto Ricans. In about 1920 the Jewish population was about 15% or less as recognized by the Jews. This is an admission that there were other people in the area. The part of Palestine that these Jews settled is pretty much the Israel of today. These "Palestinians" are mostly immigrants just like the Jews. They came from other Arab area of the MidEast, pulled in by the projects of the Jewish immigrants. Who bought cheap swamp land and drained and developed it. Jews bought marginal land and made something of it that the backward Arabs could not. There are places in the US where in recent years Puerto Ricans came to outnumber native Americans approximately by the same rate as (in 1915) Arab settlers came to outnumber Jews in the Land of Israel. Does it make Puerto Ricans "indigenous" for these places and does it entitle them to a sovereign state there? The rest is in error according to prerevisionost Jewish history. Jews bought marginal land 100 15 posted on 12/26/2001 7:54:06 PM PST by 101 Optimist 102 Post Reply | 103 Private Reply | 104 To 14 | 105 View Replies To: RLK As i read the article, it makes no case for the presence or lack of Jewish settlers, but rather the lack of an indigeneous population (aka as "the Palestinians"). Israel has claimed an historical presence to which they are returning to claim. Palestinian groups, however, claim to be indigenous which this article refutes with census and first-hand independent accounts. Although I have seen many cases on freeper threads for the historical right to this land by "Palestinians", that is not their primary claim (at least until they have desecrated all non-muslim religious sites by building on top of them to create a new history) (sorrow about the flamunition) 106 16 posted on 12/26/2001 8:04:43 PM PST by 107 Optimist 108 Post Reply | 109 Private Reply | 110 To 3 | 111 View Replies To: Optimist The whole Palestine gimmick is a load of CRAP. The Arabs were so confident that they would overrun Israel that they told the Arabs settlers to get out so they could destroy the Jews and then move back in. Instead, the Israelis fended off attacks from the Egyptians and Syrians and won (this is a concept the mythites never seem to grasp). Then, the "refugees" -- another huge myth -- were left to fend for themselves without a dime of support from any Muslim nation for decades. I honestly believe that very, very few intelligent, moral people have any genuine sympathy for the mythite cause -- instead, the cause has been hijacked solely for political purposes, rather than out of genuine concern over any unfair plight of those out of power in Israel. I will make them angry by a nation that has no understanding. So I will make them jealous with those who are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation, KJV They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; I was stunned by this verse when I saw your post, especially the non-nation part, most translation states "those who are not a people". I will provoke them with a vile nation 130 20 posted on 12/26/2001 8:23:50 PM PST by 131 Optimist 132 Post Reply | 133 Private Reply | 134 To 19 | 135 View Replies Comment #21 Removed by Moderator To: Inyokern The Philistines were not Canaanite. The part of Palestine that these Jews settled is pretty much the Israel of today. When Herzl made the call for Jewish return to Zion, the initial migration was very small. Jewish immigration did not become large until just before the second world war. In 1937 the Jewish population swelled to 500,000 as a result of attempt to escape Hitler. At that time there were about 1,200,000 Arabs living there who wanted further Jewish immigration sharply restricted. Bin-Nun chooses to call them, there are about 3 million of them and they are all over the occupied territories. Bin-Nun suggest granting them citizenship and calling them Israelis? The historical facts are completely different - but that doesn't seem to bother anyone. The first modern geopolitical entity in this area was the British Mandate for Palestine. The Mandate was created by the League of Nations in 1920, following the defeat of Turkey and the collapse of the Ottoman Empire in World War I. In 1921, Britain separated 91,000 square kilometers of the Mandate from Palestine and created Jordan. In 1923, Britain ceded the Golan Heights (1,176 square kilometers) to the French Mandate of Syria. Jewish settlers on the Golan abandoned their homes and relocated inside the reduced area of the British Mandate. The total remaining area of the Mandate of Palestine, after these land deductions was 27,000 square kilometers (a little over 10,000 square miles). The southern part of the Mandate - the desert of the Negev - was closed by the British to Jewish settlement. The area was inhabited by 15,000 roaming Bedouins, and had no Jewish or Arab settlements in it. The rest of the Mandate, the inhabited part of Palestine was 14,000 square kilometers. Following the war between the Jews and the Arabs in 1948, the inhabited areas of Mandatory Palestine were divided between Israel and Jordan. The rest, 5,700 square kilometers, was annexed by Jordan - and renamed the West Bank, and 360 square kilometers were occupied by Egypt and called the Gaza Strip. The 1948 war created a massive population shift among Jews and Arabs. Approximately 500,000 Arabs fled from the areas of the British Mandate that became Israel. Most of them to the Jordanian held areas of the Mandate and the Gaza Strip - a part of the Mandate conquered by the Egyptians. These refugees and their children have been forced, by their Arab brethren to remain in refugee camps for 52 years. Following the war in 1948, the Arab countries expelled 870,000 Jews. The majority of these refugees, together with hundreds of thousands of European Jews uprooted from their homes during World War II, were absorbed by Israel. In the first years of its existence, Israel accepted over 1,500,000 Jewish refugees. Today approximately 9 million people live on the 14,000 square kilometers of inhabited Palestine. Six million in Israel, three million in the Palestinian territories. The three million people in the Palestinian territories, all of them Arabs, who constitute just 33% of the combined Jewish and Palestinian populations, have been offered a chance to create their homeland on 43% of the land. The Israelis, who are 66% of the combined population, including over one million Arab Israelis, inhabit only 57% of what was once the inhabited areas of Mandatory Palestine. The statement that "the Palestinians are giving up 80% of their land" is a myth. Close to 1,500,000 million Jewish soldiers enlisted in the Allied Forces and the Soviet Army during World War II, on all fronts. The number of Jews in the military forces was disproportionate in relation to the general Jewish population, and consequently, also the number of Jewish fallen and wounded soldiers. Approximately 230,000 Jewish soldiers fell during World War II. The 500,000 Jews living in Israel at the time sent 27,000 Jewish soldiers (including 3,150 women) to enlist in the British Army to fight Nazi Germany. I find it interesting that they choose to call themselves by a name that celebrates a European invasion. I do not think this is where the justification for Zion lies. For me, it is the unique, singular genocidal assault on the Jews by the Nazis (unique in its scope, not occurence) for which they deserved their own country purely--at least--for defensive purposes. Immediately after WWII, the world (other than the Arabs) agreed. Don't forget, Britian did everything they could to ensure that the Jewish State would be "still-born" - exterminated by the Arabs whom they allowed to arm while restricting arms to the Jews. They hoped that they could persuade the UN to intervene so that Britian could go in and "save" whatever Jews were left after the Arabs massacred them. Of course, any dream of a Jewish State would have been dead after that and the Jews would have to be cont...
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