12/6    After almost 10 years on tvtwm, I'm ready for a switch.  This is
        on a solaris box and I have no root.  Can I still run KDE or
        GNOME or some other fancy GUI? What other desktop environments are
        there for solaris when I don't have root?  Thanks.
        \_ wmaker (I just compiled it myself without asking root).
                \_ ditto.  Did the same thing on my Sun too.
        \_ You can compile both KDE and GNOME without root, but it's a royal
           pain in the ass (something like 40 separate packages).  You could
           use Solaris' built-in CDE, which sucks but is probably better
           than tvtwm.  -tom
        \_ My personal favorite window manager is ctwm.  I don't think it
           offers much more than tvtwm though.  Why do you feel like switching?
           I've tried Gnome and various gnome window managers and have
           found no compelling reason to switch away from ctwm.
           ctwm is not hard to compile, usually a 5 minute task for me.
                --PeterM
           \_ Agreed.  And KDE is the complete "we will make your choices for
              you" desktop environment, not just a window manager.  --dbushong
       \_ I would have to agree with the above posters that unless you are a
          glutton for punishment, compiling KDE or Gnome is simply not what
          you want. If you really want to switch to something other than *twm,
          I would recommend blackbox, since it's very small, fast, and easy
          to compile and configure and all that. -- ajani
        \_ Not to be the big spoilsport or anything, but what's wrong with
           what you've got?  A window manager just needs to manage windows
           which the old WMs do quite well. Move/raise/lower/resize/etc.
           What more is there?  I installed several of the whizzy bang WMs
           and didn't see the point.  It was more like playing a video game
           than having control of my workspace.  And they ran much slower too.
           Even the so-called "fast" ones.  -baffled
           \_ I'm looking to make my workspace fancier.  10 years on the
              same thing is making me feel like I'm an old man.  Of course,
              10 years on unix and text-based mail readers also make me
              feel that way.  :-)  Change is good.  I need a change.
                \_ So you want to change a perfectly functional environment
                   for an inferior one just so you won't feel 30?  Here's a
                   friendly tip: changing WMs won't make you look any younger
                   than changing gf/wives.  The first makes you look less
                   UNIX GURU(tm) than you are and the second makes you look
                   desperate and stupid.
                   \_ On the contrary, I think twm makes you look "hardcore"
                   \_ On the contrary, changing your gf/wife can make
                      you a lot younger
                      \_ If "hardcore" means "unix guru" then that's what I
                         was saying.  All the bells and whistles and shit
                         are for kids.  Like the kid said, "Silly Rabbit!
                         Tricks are for kids!  Men use twm!"  Or something
                         like that....
                         \_ "Real Men use vi!"  --- emacs user
                            \_ wussies use emacs?
                         \_ It sounded like you were saying "the first
                            (wm, ie twm) makes you look less GURU and the
                            second (wm, ie kde) ...", not "first point: x,
                            second point y."
                   \_ Mid-life crisis for geeks. Tis to laugh.
                       \_ priceless. this is why i keep this account.
                          \_ Why does this sound like a commercial?