12/5    editorial on israel's true intentions in blaming
        all violence on arafat:
        http://www.fpif.org/commentary/0112arafat.html - danh
        \_ the best solution is to set off a nuclear bomb in Jerusalem so
        \_ Just say it: kill all the Jews and there will finally be peace in
           the middle east.  (There really won't but that's another story).
           Just say what you're really thinking.  Stop dilly dallying around
           with side issues.
           \_ Yes, we have people who want to kill all the Jews posting
              on the motd.  Didn't you hear?
           that way no one can live there for 1000 years and all three
           religions can go find some other place (hopefuly far apart) to
           claim. it's stupid fighting over a small plot of land when the
           earth is friggin' huge.
        \_ http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64854-2001Dec5.html
           \_ i think the first url has a good point, that
              every israeli armed reaction reduces arafat's
              legitimacy, then they blame arafat again for terrorism,
              then they invade again, etc.
           \_ I think Arafat will be assasinated by the Hamas soon.
              Then Israel would be forced to invade and take over
              Palestine.
              \_ truly a win-win situation for sharon :(
                 \_ who *wouldn't* benefit from arafat's death?
                    \_ the palestinians.  the u.s.  why do you think the
                       u.s. gave an explicit order to sharon not to touch
                       arafat a few days ago?
        \_ Arafat was offered 99% of everything in 1999.  He was *never* going
           to get a better deal.  He walked away.  Tough shit now, baby.
           \_ 99% of nothing is more like it. Without a right of return,
              the offer is nothing.
              \_ So you're saying that not allowing a right of return
                 (letting Palestinians who were removed from Israel return
        \_ palestine can't become a state regardless of israel with 3 groups
                 there), combined with the creation of Palestine, is nothing?
           \_ who suffers for arafat's mistake?  how does killing him
              improve the situation?  idiot.
               \_ It might.  We know for a fact that Arafat isn't interested
                  in any deals.  He walked away from the best deal possible.
                  So, yes, killing him might help.  Also, just because I'm
                  more aware of the situation and have put more thought into
                  it doesn't make me an idiot.  I'm sorry I don't follow your
                  mindless knee-jerk response to the whole thing.  You suggest
                  what?  That they talk some more?  Whatever.
                \_ arafat's nation suffers for his mistake.  therefore, he
                should eith step down to hand over to a compotent leader/group
                or die so a compotent leader/group can take over.
                   \_ don't you understand that hamas is the power broker
                      right behind fatah?  and hamas claimed responsibility
                      for the last terrorist attack?
                \_ Competent government and Palestinian = oxymoron
        sharing 33% each. There has to be a civil war in it to rid the other
        2 groups so any nation can recognize them as an entire nation that can
        be dealt with as one. Every nation goes through this, the US did in the
        civil war, it will have to go through this for Palestine.