10/9    Russians going to be in Kabul first.
        \_ You musn't underestimate Russian blundering. I was with them
           when they blundered into Berlin in 1945.
        \_ yes, like the americans are gonna lead the way
        \_ They were already there in 1980. A lot of good it did them.
        \_ Were the Russians or the Americans in Berlin first during WWII?
           \_ MAN what do they teach in history these days? The Russians.
              Ike is said to want to give them the honor though the Allies
              could have been there first if they wanted.
              \_ I forgot most of my HS history already.  All I remember is
                 from the General Patten movie where Patten said he wanted to
                                  \_ Patton, even.
                 beat the Russians in entering Berlin.  But I forgot who
                 entered Berlin first in the movie.
                 \_ Patton's view on the Germans and the Soviets:
                    <DEAD>www.jeffsarchive.com/Jews%20and%20Communism/General%20Patton's%20Warning.html<DEAD>
                    The past half century could've been a better time if he
                    were allowed to go after the Soviets.
                    \_ Patton lost.  The Ruskies got to the Nazi bitches first.
                    \_ Patton was a racist and anti-Semite and despised
                       by his men and by Eisenhower.
                       \_ that's why he was so effective and great