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2001/9/23 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:22598 Activity:very high
9/20    Who wants to start a "what day does the bombing begin" pool?
        \_ That was one of the most fun things we did in the coop, for the
           Haiti invasion (until Carter fuffed it for everyone.)  If only
           for all the self-righteous cave people it pissed off.  -John
        \_ Yeah, now I see why www access to motd.public was removed.
           \_ eh? whatchew smokin fool?
              \_ crack.  lots and lots of crack.
           \_ Now, if I had said "who wants to start a 'how many civilian
              casualties will the US cause in its bombing campaign' pool?"
              you might have a point. But I did not.
        \_ http://www.debka.com
        \_ I don't think you'll see the sort of bombing you're looking for.
           I think this is going to be like a new Cold War.  This time the
           opposing philosophy is a twisted version of extremist Islam.  Last
           time it was communism.  In 10 to 15 years after the fundamentalist
           muslims are crushed and their children are listening to the latest
           off the Top 40 charts, we'll have a few years of peace before some
           one else steps up to the plate to take a swing.  It's the price of
           freedom.
                \_ Maybe the fundamentalists are right about us being the
                   devils.
                   \_ Maybe?  So you think a bunch of civilian killing, zero
                      freedom dictatorships are morally superior to a
                      democratically elected most-free market economy with a
                                             \_ I read that as motd-free.
                      free press, open travel for citizens, the right to
                      criticise the government without fear of death or
                      imprisonment?  You're either a troll or insane.
                      \_ I vote for "joking"
        \_ how about "Which U.S. city gets nuked first?"
           \_ I'll take that bet.  My answer: none.  A little anthrax crop
              dusting through a few east bay districts would wake a up a few
              people though.  Those that survived....
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Two Palestinian terrorists shot dead 5 Israelis - a mother and her 4 daughters - in ambush of cars coming out of Gaza Strip's Gush Katif on Kissufim road. Their victims were Tali Hatuel, 34, a social worker, Hilah, 11, Hadar, 9, Roni, 7 and Meirav, 2. Two Israeli troops and civilian injured before shooting two terrorists dead. After hitting the Hatuel car, two Palestinians approached and murdered the children and mother at close range under cover of general offensive by several Palestinian bands on Israeli military positions. Exception made only for dwellers of bereaved village of Katif Murders were grim backdrop for Likud vote on Sharon's plan, sparked angry scenes against proponents at balloting stations. PM's son Omri Sharon was rescued by police from jostling crowds at Jerusalem's Convention Halls. Low turnout for Likud referendum on Sharon's disengagement plan -14pc by early evening. PM said earlier he wont be bound by referendum result although put all his prestige on the line. 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