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2001/9/18 [Politics/Domestic/911, Computer/SW/Security] UID:22507 Activity:insanely high
9/18    http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-7215723.html?tag=mn_hd
        " U.S. citizens back encryption controls "
        Right, only American companies can write encryption code/product,
        and the intelligence failure to warn the attack is due to, or partly
        due to encryption products!  Classical "not my fault" syndrome.
        Let's ban commercial airlines because their planes are used in the
        attack.  Let's ban all knives because they are used in the attack.
        \_ lets ban all people because they were used in the attack.
           \_ Let's ban religion. religion is the root of the Northern Ireland
                                  \_ Try economics.  There's not much that
                                     was ever perpetrated solely because of
                                     religion.  People aren't that pious,
                                     no matter what they may say.
              conflict, Palestine, Pakistan/India, and various historical
              atrocities. Not to mention the Holocaust, Cyprus, Kosovo, etc.
              atrocities.
              That's the one thing I didn't mind about China and USSR.
              Freedom FROM religion.
              I guess I don't mind Buddhists. They never slaughter anyone.
              (right? i'd be interested to learn otherwise.)
              \_ Tibetan Buddhism was the state religion of the Mongol Khans,
              \_ Tibetan Buddhism was the state religion of the the Mongol Khans,
                 possibly the most murderous forces in known history. Zen
                 Buddhism, as connected with Imperial Shinto during the
                 years leading up to the Japanese expansion, was part and parcel
                 with the philosophy that guided that set of warriors.
                 \_ So is there such a thing as a religion that doesn't have
                    significant blood on its hand?
                    \_ Quakers?
                 \_ Well, I see that as just being their personal philosophy,
                    and not something that actively caused strife. I mean, I
                    don't think they cared what religion other people were when
                    they were conquering them, they just wanted to conquer them.
                    That's good, honest conquest. They weren't haters.
                 \_ Imperial Shinto?  Zen Buddhism is very different from Shinto.
                    What is your source?
              \_ The Shaolin monks in ancient China once fought for an emperor
                 in the Tang dynasty against rebels in the region.  I think in
                 return the emperor gave the Shaolin temples exclusive rights
                 among all Buddist temples to openly practise martial arts, or
                 something like that.  But that you can say they fought for a
                 good cause.
                 in the Tang dynasty against rebels in the region.  But that
                 you can say they fought for a good cause.
                 \_ yeah, nothing wrong with that. no hatred, no frothy fervor.
        \_ lets ban the internet in the US!
              I guess I don't mind Buddhists and Hindus. They never slaughter
              anyone.
              I guess I don't mind Pengiuns. They never slaughter anyone.
                    That's good, honest conquest.
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