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2001/9/16 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Foreign/Asia/India] UID:22478 Activity:insanely high
9/16    This is the most sober article reporting on the events:

        http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,551036,00.html

        -ali.
        \_ Yeah, i've been using the guardian as a source since the
           US papers have resorted to yellow journalism. This is
           a good article.
        \_ Fuck you you TRAITOROUS piece of shit.  The author
           is probably Neville Chamberlains grandson.
           \_ The USA, like most countries in a position of hegemony, whether
              it wants to or not, has done some pretty questionable things.
              Likewise, some of our policies, while not "bad" per se, were
              at least poorly thought through, and have had bad results.
              To discount those is not a wise idea if you want to at least
              be able to understand (not justify, mind you) the terrible
              actions you see from terrorists.  It's unfortunate, though, that
              it's so difficult for a lot of people to distinguish bad acts
              from evil ones, and that any questioning of these acts is
              immediately interpreted as a condemnation of the US...  -John
                \_ It's one thing to question Billy Bob's
                   bombing of Serbia, its a whole other matter
                   to slam America and the values for which she
                   stands.
           \_ What does that make you? McCarthy's protoge?
              \_ Do yourself and this country a favor and pick
                 up a history book.
                 \_ "Beware of being drawn off from the truth, either by
                     the worldly prudence of half-hearted professors, or by
                     pretences to merit in the self-righteous Pharisee."
            \_ "Do not judge, or you too will be judged.  For in the
                same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with
                the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
                                                        - the lord
            \_ let me get this straight. you're calling me a traitor
               because i'm espousing an article that is trying to
               motivate americans to become better acquainted with
               their country's foreign policy?
               listen, dimwit, i'm telling you should find out what
               your country is doing. and you're calling me a traitor.
               go look up traitor, and then go look up the words dimwit
               and nimrod. then decide which of these adjectives apply
               to which of the two of us. -ali
                \_ In his fervor to rationalize, almost justify,
                   the attacks, Milne betrays his socialist,
                   Anti-American (and West) pro-militant Islamism
                   dogma.
                   That you would applaud such an article
                   suggests either that yes, like Milne, you are a
                   seditionist, or that you're understanding of
                   history is painfully naive or critically
                   misinformed.
                \_ --wait... ali said dimwit AND nimrod. Could someone
                   please change the file permissions of the motd?! quick!
                   \_ yes, clearly ali is inciting a riot.
            \_ call it what you want, but putting armed guards at airports
               and all of the other Draconian measures that are going to get
               and all of the other Draconian measures that are going to
               crammed down our throats in the next fews months will only
               be dealing with the symptoms, and not the real problem.  and
               no, I don't necessarily disagree with more stringent security
               at airports, but we could very easily get a lot of our
               constitutional rights trampled on for no good reason.
           is probably Neville's Chamerlains grandson.
           is probably Neville's Chamberlains grandson.
                                                        - thelord
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