9/11 Motd poll, if you were on a terrorist hijacked plane and the
terrorists were armed with knifes and cardboard cutters, would
you be willing to rush the bastards?
Yes: ..
Yes: after 9/11/2001, there's no choice anymore. YOU MUST RETAKE
THE CABIN OR DIE.
No:
\_ Think about this. Everybody on board thouht that it would be
just another hostage situation-- sit tight, don't stand out, and
you'll survive.
\_ agreed. obviously in retrospect, the answer would be yes.
\_ yes. if you knew it was life or death then of course; otherwise...
\_ My poll is based on the following. Assume 50 non terrorists
and 5 crew on the plane. Of the 50 assume that 20 are too
old or too young or too weak to be of any use. Also assume
5 terrorists on the plane. Its 7 on 1. If they just had knifes
there is no way that you can knife 7 people, shoot yes, knife
no. The passengers could have taken them out. Game Over.
\_ My poll is based on the following. Assume 5 terrorists, 50
passengers and and 5 crew on the plane. Of the 50 assume
that 20 are too old or too young or too weak to be of any
use in the situation.
Its 7 on 1. If they just had knifes there is no way that you
can knife 7 people who are attacking you, shoot yes, knife no.
The passengers could have easily taken them out. Game Over.
Yeah you might get hurt, you might even die, but its sure
better than letting the bastards get away with whatever they
are planning.
\_ Think about this instead: the hijackers bluffed that they had
a bomb. Now how many volunteers do you have?
\_ from another perspective, this could give passengers the
sense that they're all going to die anyway and have nothing
to lose.
\_ Exactly, even the women (esp. the moms) will be
willing to take out the bastards. I'd say that
its 10 on 1 if they say they've got a bomb.
\_ Think about this instead: the hijackers bluffed that they had a
bomb. Now how many volunteers do you have?
\_ what if they're just planning to fly to Havana? Wouldn't
you feel stupid getting killed to stop it? -tom
\_ Much better getting killed than getting stuck
in fidel's little hell hole with a bunch of
terrorists and anti-american commie bastards.
Oops I forgot you like anti-american commie
Oops forgot you like anti-american commie
bastards.
in fidel's little hell hole.
\_ assume the plane has narrow aisles. assume they have a hostage.
assume half the passengers are women and only half the men
are willing to put their lives on the line in the face of 5
crazy unreasonable trained fucks with knives. then figure you
have no chance to organise anything or discuss with others.
figure there's no particular reason to think they're suicidal.
\_ Okay, in your case there are still about 13 people willing
to take on the bastards. All you need to do is get heavy
carry on baggage and start hitting or tripping terrorists.
They will get confused and this will screw up thier plans,
long enough for the pilot to get a message out, which would
be enough for the SAMs to lock on, just in case we couldn't
get control of the situation.
Anyway, I think that I'll learn how to break necks before
getting on another plane. Seems to me that this is knowledge
that will be quite useful.
\_ why should the pilot need to get a message out for air
traffic controllers to realize that something is wrong?
\_ Course deviations could be due to communications
failure and or mechanical failure. ATC will need a
message to let the SAMs know that its okay to lock
on.
\_ there are no SAMs readily deployed in U.S.
soil. Nor can the military act upon a civilian
aircraft without the declaration of martial law
\_ Martial law must have been declared today,
because the F16s that escorted planes into
SFO said this "deviate from course and you
because the f16s that escorted planes into
sfo said this "deviate from course and you
will be destroyed".
And they are not going to tell you about the
SAMs. Ames had them, but you didn't know that
did you?
\_ Wouldn't narrow aisles be to your advantage? They could
not bum rush you. Then you could steven segal their ass
one by one.
\_ From my own experience and people I've talked to,
you're not going to be able to do anything to someone
with a knife unless you're willing to be seriously
injured. The only options I can see are 1) grab
something like luggage (mentioned above) or 2) accept
that you're going to get hurt and impale yourself on
the weapon to keep them from using it further.
\_ I'd go with impale myself and make life miserable
for the terrorist. If I'm going to die anyway I've
got nothing to lose.
\_ Even the odds. Bring your leatherman with you. I've flown with
it several times. Nobody questions it. (Maybe they should...)
\_ I think that we should all learn to kill people with our
bare hands. When the pull a knife, you break thier neck.
\_ They probably carved up the flight crew to intimidate the rest
of the passengers.
\_ That would make me more likely to rush 'em. Though, if 3 of
the five just sit there with knives to the stewardess' throats
then there's not much you can reasonably do.
\_ Can't hijack a plane if 3 of 5 are occupied by hostages.
Anyway, if they cut the throats of the stewardesses they
still have the bodies in thier hands, its an advantage
to you when you rush them.
\_ Yes. You should use the body parts of the crew as weapons.
If enough blood is spilled, they might slip and fall. Then,
you can open the emergency doors and hope they slide out.
\_ by-stander effect? remember psychology 1?
\_ I don't mean to get off-topic, but I've been studying Japanese
sword for a few years, and one of the important lessions I've
learned is that if you are willing to die, you have a huge
advantage. All this talk about fighting back is fine and might
have actually worked, but the terrorists were willing to die,
which makes them much more formidable, plus they were the ones
with the weapons. - mikeym
\_ Yes but, if the passengers are willing to die as well (or
they know that they will die anyway) you have no advantage.
Shear numbers will win.
\_ Consider now that passengers are going to be less likely to
sit by idly if they get hijacked. -geordan
figure there's particular reason to believe they're suicidal.
long enough for the pilot to get a message out.
Hopefully its long enough for the SAMs to lock on.
be enough for the SAMs to lock in, just in case we couldn't
\_ When they start to carve up the flight crew, you jump them.
That will confuse them enough to take them out.
\_ That would make me more likely to rush 'em. Though, if 3 of the
five just sit there with knives to the stewardess' throats then
there's not much you can reasonably do. |
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