8/13    war is over.  xcf loses 311 soda.
        \_ XCF hasn't produced a piece of useful product since Gimp and those
           days are long over.
           \_ The star of XCF will rise again.  -- misha.
        \_ i remember reading an interview with pete and spencer that
           said "we didn't write the gimp in the xcf really, and
           the xcf was a big distraction anyway"
           \_ it produced vadim and his empire of warez!
           \_ Gimp was a useful product?
              \_ here here.  gimp is lame.  What was useful was the research
                 done by lapsley && co to fight the morris worm.
                 \_ very droll
           \_ Yeah! Those XCF lusers... the CSUA on the other hand has produced
              ... uh... nevermind.
              \_ Try reading the charter, dimwit. The CSUA never claimed to
                 produce anything.           [ restored ]
                 \_ So you're saying, "Because the CSUA has never aspired to
                    anything, it's better than the XCF which aspired to some-
                    thing and failed"?
                    \_ No, idiot, I'm saying that the CSUA has lived up to
                       its charter; your comparison is silly.
                        \_ You mean the CSUA's charter is something more than
                           what the XCF did? They seem the same to me, a club
                           with a bunch of yammering members, and people who
                           don't give a damn.
                           \_ The XCF's charter claimed they were something
                              different than what they did in practice.  In
                              practice they have recently acted in a fashion
                              similar to the recent CSUA, but with a limited
                              membership.
        \_ Vadim wins: FATALITY?