8/3    Anybody seen "The Follow" by Wong Kai-Wor on link:www.bmwfilms.com  What
        do you guys think of it?
        \_ It's good. Much easier to watch than Fallen Angels or Happy
           Together, which are very slow moving. The Follow is slow moving, but
           it's only five minutes long.
           \_ But I still dont understand the ending fully.
              \_ Her husband(who's also supposed to be a star) hires clive to
                 make sure she doesn't run off from him.  Clive sees the bruise
                 on her eye and gives the money back to the guy that hired
                 clive.  (If you still don't get it...  She was running away
                 from her wife-beatin husband.)
                 \_ I saw it only once but I didn't get it either.  How did
                    you know about the black eye?  I guess I have to see it
                    again to catch that.
                    \_ Was the black eye really that stealth of a shot
                       that everybody missed it? Geez Louise.
                       \_ No, this person must have been reading email while
                          watching the short or something... it was pretty
                          damn hard to miss...
                          \_ For me, I saw the injury, but I still thought I
                             missed something so I watched it with the
                             director commentary and then I understood. I
                             guess I'm just a dope.
                \_ He only beat her and hired Clive after she ran away with
                   another man and started cheating on him.
        \_ It's Wong Kar-Wai.
           \_ It's Kar-Wai Wong (first name, last name, US Style!)
              \_ There are a few sites out there that list his movies
                 movies as being directed by both Wong Kar-Wai and
                 Kar-Wai Wong.
                 http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&cf=info&id=1803471119
                 \_ Does the first/last name thing represent deeply rooted
                    cultural differences between the East and West involving
                    the role and/or importance of the family versus the
                    individual? Have people written papers about this? Or
                    perhaps a kinneydrivel?
                    \_ today, it is commonly known that asian families
                       stress that family goals and needs are higher up than
                       your own individual wants/goals; but the whole written
                       name order im sure came alot earlier, definitely way
                       before modern america which is the epitome of
                       individualism, so i doubt that name order actually
                       reflects cultural differences. Also asian culture
                       dramatically changed with the introduction of confucian
                       ideals, which is probably when the shift towards
                       family over individual concept took hold the most,
                       and so any cultural differences came from that.
                    \_ Some asian cultures don't even use a family name.