9/3     Vote to log the motd to identify motd nukers and people who
           discussion as a routine cleanup, but you happened to have posted
              i guess isn't necessarily to reprimand but to make sure your
              fuckup can be reversed.
                 anonymity, which is essential (IMHO). I think that the auto
           most of the folks having this discussion haven't been to a
              \_ Doesn't look very ruined to me.  I've seen the CSUA's books.
                 a bigger mail quota."  Not much charity there.  I've seen
                 \_ I've never heard a request for alumni to give talks.
                    any further info. The last time I wanted to donate,
                    I'd love to help out. ----ranga
           \_ no.
        \_ How about a automatic archiving system? It could create a
           web page with the motd contents every five minutes or so
           (depending on the rate of changes). Pages older than a week
           could get deleted automatically. It seems like this could
           preserve the anonymous nature while preventing the periodic
           automated nuking.
           \_ i agree with this almost totally. what i really want is
              an undo system so that when some dubass fucks up the
              motd by repeating some post 10 times or nuking an
              active thread, i can undo his action. it would make me
              happy if the motd got prcs'ed and i could run diffs against
              happy if the motd got prcs'ed and i could run diffs
against
              it easily. the side effect however is that some people might
              get identified.
              \_ I have been RCS'ing the motd on my own for years now.
                 Shouldn't be too hard to make restoral scripts.  -ERic
                 \_ What's the best way to do this? Does this involve a
                    script running in screen? I'm a unix dope.
        \_ I have a question about what constitutes a "wrongful deletion".
           Suppose the motd is several hundred lines long with a discussion
           near the end that is several days old. I happen to delete this
           discussion as a routine cleanup, but you happened to have posted
           to the thread just a few minutes before. I didn't intend to censor
           your post on purpose, but you don't know that, so I would get lumped
           in with the motd hozers right?
           \_ i think what you're saying gets solved by logging. the point
              i guess isn't necessarily to reprimand but to make sure your
              fuckup can be reversed.
              \_ The problem with logging is that it doesn't allow for
                 anonymity, which is essential (IMHO). I think that the auto
                 archiving + undo feature mentioned above would be the way
                 to go.
        \_ Why are voting on this?  You have no authority to enforce it,
           most of the folks having this discussion haven't been to a
           politburo meeting in YEARS, and haven't been eligible for longer!
           \_ because i'd like to know what other people think.
           \_ Some of us have donated and will continue to donate money
              and hardware to the CSUA. We like this forum and don't want
              to see it ruined.
              \_ Doesn't look very ruined to me.  I've seen the CSUA's books.
                 Not that many people are donating.  Usually when someone does
                 make a donation, it's along the lines of "My mail spool
                 filled up so I'm going to donate a hard disk so I can have
                 a bigger mail quota."  Not much charity there.  I've seen
                 how pathetic the responses are when the politburo asks
                 Alumni to come back and give talks.  I'm not saying all the
                 alums out there are this apathetic, but a lot sure want
                 to have a lot of say in how soda (and the CSUA for that
                 matter) is run without contributing much.
                 \_ I've never heard a request for alumni to give talks.
                    I would have done so if I knew about it.
                 \_ I have always been willing to speak and donate. I
                    volunteered for the Startup panel but never recieved
                    any further info. The last time I wanted to donate,
                    the current set of hardware had already been purchased
                    and I was told that when more was needed someone would
                    email me. If more hardware is needed please contact me,
                    I'd love to help out. ----ranga
              \_ the csua is in much better shape today than it was 4 years
                 ago financially.  less need for ask for alumni donations
        \_ isn't posting to motd a waste of time anywayz?
           \_ no.