7/24    Is there a version of, or an equivalent to, the CDE (common
        desktop environment) for linux?
        \_ there's the KDE...
             \_ Can it be made to look similar to CDE? All the
                screen shots I've seen on the web look more like Windows.
                screen shots I've seen on the web look more like
                Windows.
                \_ http://kde.themes.org, there used to be a cde theme.
        \_ Look for TriTeal's XMotif/CDE package. Redhat used to
           sell it as a add on to RedHat Linux up until v5.2 or
           so. You can probably still get it running on newer
           versions by using the 2.0 kernel/libc5 compat rpms.
           ---ranga
           \_ TriTeal went out of business.  http://www.xig.com is the
              only company who sells CDE for Linux now. -alan-
        \_ Why in god's name would you want a shitty interface
           like cde? There are much better interfaces available
           for *nix: twm, fvwm, afterstep, saw{mill,fish}, etc.
        \_ Trade up from Linux to Solaris - it's still free and
           includes CDE.
           \_ In addition to CDE, you get *WORKING* NFSv3, PThreads,
              SMP, MultiThreaded TCP/IP, RealTime Scheduling
              Extensions and a stable kernel interface layer at
              no additional charge! Who could pass up a deal like
              that?
              \_ I work with x86 daily.  all i gotta say is:
                "nfs server mamba not responding."
                "nfs server pasteur not responding."
                There's a reason why solx86 and staroffice are free. - paolo
                There's a reason why solx86 and staroffice are
                free. - paolo
                \_ paolo, that is because Instructional is constantly
                   underfunded and short on resources appropriate to
                   the demands placed on them by coursework.  I believe
                   this was in the undergraduate presentation made to
                   the department at the faculty retreat recently.  --Jon
                \_ All I gotta say is: "Incompetant NFS/network
                   \_ Wow, you think the architecture makes NFS work poorly?
                      Impressive.
                   admins"
                \_ Solaris/sparc is just as free as the solaris
                   for x86.
                \_ Poster never said he was on x86. He could be
                   running sparc linsux for all we know.
                \_ Its your own damn fault for using cheap x86
                   hardware for NFS. Get a real machine.
                   \_ Wow, you think the architecture makes NFS work
                      poorly? Impressive.
                      \_ no, but the components that go into a x86
                         system are usually sub-par creating all
                         sort of problems. (Cheap raid cards, cheap
                         nics, cheap drives, 33 MHz bus, etc).
                         In anycase people who depend on NFS should
                         be using a dedicated solution like netapp
                         instead of running on a cheap pc they slapped
                         together from cheap bits at frys.
                         \_ as opposed to Sun's low-end server, the
                            extremely high-quality Ultra 10?  Please.
                            -tom
                            \_ The U10 is not a low end server. It is
                               a desktop machine. If you buy a U10 and
                               think that its a server that's your own
                               damn fault for being cheap. A "low-end"
                               server would be the discontinued U30 or
                               U60...
                                \_ gee, you'll have to mention that to Sun,
                                   which sells the Ultra 10 as a server on
                                   their web site.  If you're going to pay
                                   $10K for a box, you'll get a much better
                                   PC box than Sun box--if you buy shitty
                                   PC hardware, "that's your own damn fault."
                                    -tom
                         \_ Due to lack of funds, our Solaris/x86 NFS
                            server is a cheap PC thrown together from
                            parts. We haven't had any problems with it
                            so far.
                         \_ Who is talking about cheap x86 hardware?
                            You can buy a decent x86 server with 66MHz PCI
                            slots if you need, hot swapable SCA drives, and
                            other components. It will be faster than and just
                            as reliable as an equivalent Sun (or whatever)
                            machine but cost you two times less or more.
                            Netapps are nice but the cost is an issue with
                            them. For a price of a netapp filer you can buy
                            a disk array from Sun with at least the same
                            storage capacity and a server to go with it.
                            \_ So does your x86 "server" support gigE
                               fiber and etherchannel? How about ATM?
                               \_ Yes. You haven't looked at current Dell, IBM
                                  etc offerings, have you?
                               Let's not forget about a real journalling
                               fs and seamless ha fall over. What about
                               NEBS compliance? Lights out management?
                               People who depend on NFS require these
                               things. People like you who play with
                               toys in your dorm room don't and think
                               that cheap x86 stuff from fry's is just
                               as good.
                               With regards to Netapp vs. Sun. Netapp
                               is faster and more reliable than a
                               multipurpose server. The WAFL fs is
                               probably the most advanced journaling
                               fs ever written and these boxes even
                               commit metadata updates to nvram so
                               that a powerfailure won't corrupt the
                               fs. If I depended on NFS I'd buy netapp.
                               \_ export list limit of 800.
                                  can we say CIFS/Unix perm conflicts?
                                  mountd dying periodically
                                  I can go on.  Netapp's are amazing
                                  and I like things like wafl, snapshots,
                                  the dual platform support, but they are
                                  far from perfect.  be realistic. --Jon