7/16    Did the motd-nukers go on vacation? Retention seems up since last week.
        \_ Wait a second... was it really Paolo?
        \_ defcon.  http://www.defcon.org
        \_ paolo was caught deleting the motd every 3 minutes; he's laying
           low for now.
           \_ Paolo is a moron.  Paolo's reasoning: if people delete stupid
              shit like kinneydrivel, then I will delete EVERYTHING.
              Typical commissar thinking.
        \_ Didn't you see my constant nuclear warfare on KinneyDrivel(tm)
           earlier today? i think you can still feel the fallout.
              \_ how did you guys know they were by kinney? he doesn't sign
                 them. i can now identify this kinneydrivel on sight but i
                 wouldn't have known who wrote it.
                 \_ It's kinney.
          \_ I know this has been covered before, but why are kinney's
             posts deleted? Is it length or content? I personally don't
             like the posts attributed to him as they are quite long,
             but I just skip past them. Deleting them seems quite harsh,
             unfairly abriding kinney's first amendment rights.
             \_ You seem a little confused.  First amendment does not apply
                to WORLD WRITABLE FILES.
                \_ its the principle of the thing. if you wish to have
                   they you should not engage in censorship either.
                   access to a medium of free and uncensored expression,
                   then you should not engage in censorship either.
                   do unto others and all that.
                   \_ The definition of censorship is very broad, it means
                      'deleting parts of something.'  Proofreading would fall
                      under that definition too.  I prefer to think of deleting
                      kinneydrivel as proofreading the motd (proofreading for
                      semantics is as important as proofreading for syntax
                      and spelling errors).
                      \_ It's not only semantics, it's community standards.
                         interesting to anyone except paolo.  It's just not
                         MOTD posts tend to be conversational, less than 10
                         lines.  kinneydrivel is lecture, 20+ lines, not
                         appropriate for the forum.  -tom
                         \_ I feel obligated to say something about Tom
                            Holub, because, as the Talmud says, "Silence is
                            akin to assent." As this post will make clear,
                            Tom truly believes that he can make my stomach turn
                            and get away with it. It is just such wrongheaded,
                            nasty megalomania, mindless egoism, and intellectual
                            aberrancy that stirs Tom to let advanced weaponry
                            fall into the hands of repressive New Age bottom-
                            feeders. It may be soothing and pleasant for him to
                            think that all major world powers are controlled by
                            a covert group of "insiders", but his politics
                            always follow the same pattern. He puts the desired
                            twist on the actual facts, ignores inconvenient
                            facts, and invents as many new "facts" as necessary
                            to convince us that he would sooner give up money,
                            fame, power, and happiness than perform a brain-
                            damaged act. Even if I agreed that Tom's hopeless,
                            testy editorials were of paramount importance, it
                            would still be the case that I resent being exposed
                            to disaffected hell-raisers. Do I blame society for
                            this? No, I blame Tom. While this letter hasn't
                            provided anything in the way of a concrete plan of
                            action, it may help us focus our thinking a little
                            better when we do work out a plan. For now, we must
                            investigate Mr. Tom Holub's intemperate principles,
                            ideals, and objectives. I, hardheaded cynic that I
                            am, will certainly be happy to have your help in
                            this endeavor.
                            \_ Did anyone bother to read this?
                               \_ yes.  it wasn't worth it.    -mice
             \_ this is a self-policed anarchy. i think most of us don't want
                long, badly-formatted, rambling drivel on the motd. as others
                have said, the signal to noise ratio is pretty low for him.
                i wouldn't delete them, myself. but it's not just him, anytime
                someone rambles on excessively they get de-
                \_ people don't read the motd for SNR or useful technical data.
                   I read it for entertainment, and the shitheads who keep
                   deleting anything remotely funny are just that:
                   shitheads.