6/17/2001 If you're concerned about competing for jobs with H1B visa
recipients, consider writing your Congresspeople and president.
The economy sucks right now and companies are hiring H1B people
instead of recent grads or recent layoff-ees.
You can find addresses for some senators/congressmen/president in
~peterm/Addresses. Get your friends to write, too. --PeterM
\_ I didn't have you pegged as a xenophobe, peterm. -tom
\_ I deny being xenophobic. The rationalization for H1Bs
was always that companies couldn't fill positions.
I know plenty of people who can't find jobs now.
The time for H1B's has ended, for now. I'm happy to
have them all back when the economy improves. Also,
I have no objection to IMMIGRATION. But this half-assed
H1B serfdom is perverting the market.--PeterM
\_ It's pretty easy to work at a University job and say being
against H1B Visa's is an example of xenophobia. Try
competing in the open market where you are up against H1B
people who claim to be able to do your job for 1/3 the pay
and see how pro H1B you end up being. The result is that
the market gets flooded, wages go down, and you've turned
California into the traffic congested, out of energy mess
it is today. -ax
\_ It's easy to sit around in a job with artifically high
wages created by an artificially constrained supply of
workers and then complain when the party's over. -tom
\_ let me get this straight. are you seriously blaming
immigrants for the energy crisis in california?
\_ If a company is dumb enough to hire someone less qualified
(and believe me, there are a lot) then they should have the
right to. But I don't think being an H1Ber has any bearing
on your qualifications (or your lack thereof) or your likely-
hood of being hired. Actually, you're probably less likely
because managers would rather not go through the hassle of
dealing with an H1B applicant. As for my experience, I had
to work with 2 NCGs, one of which had an H1B. I found the
\_ ??
\_ new college graduate. -tom
American citizen utterly incompetent but the guy on H1B to
be qualified.
\_ from a companies point of view, H1B's can be good -- they tend
to get locked to a company 3-6 years at a time.
Also, do you have more objective proof of some of the annecdotes
you offer?
\_ Of course it is good for companies. Wouldn't you want
an employee you could underpay, overwork, and have thrown
out of the country for any reason whatsover?
\_ PeterM, immigrants are essential to the U.S. economy. Without
the cheap Indian and Chinese workers the hi-tech industry wouldn't
have boomed the way before. Also without the cheap Mexican and
negros you'd have to pay $10 per nugget. Immigrants are good.
\_ You are right. We needed the foreign labor then. Now,
we don't, and citizens have to compete with non-citizens
who cannot compete fairly in the job market because they
are hindered by red tape. IF WE WANT FOREIGN WORKERS
MAKE THEM CITIZENS INSTEAD OF H1Bs. No more H1Bs. Either
FULL citizenship or GET THEM OUT. --PeterM
\_ what about green cards?
\_ Those with green cards don't have to have an employer to stay
in the country, right? Their bargaining position is
equal to a citizen's, then, and they won't pervert the
labor market, as much, or at all. --PeterM
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