5/29 I started a summer job at Analog Devices today (maker of
DSP chips and competitor to Texas Instruments). My boss
told me that most of the DSP tools are now made for Windows.
Only a few years ago they were mostly UNIX based. I can
understand people using Windows for games or people who don't
know about computers using Windows for Word/Excel etc., but
engineers?! What is the world coming to? -emin
\_ The guy below is right. Most HW tools are for Suns and I bet
that TI uses Sun/Synopsis tools to actually design the DSPs.
It's just the users of those DSPs that frequently use a
Windows computer to reprogram the processor. Don't worry.
We electrical engineers will never sucumb to an inferior OS.
\_ most of these tools are available for Linux now. my company
has like 1 Sun box for some reason or other but everything
else is x86 Red Hat. we don't pay Red Hat anything either.
\_ So your company is betting it's future on a product they
don't think is worth paying for and they don't care if the
\_ You vastly misunderstand, friend. ED is the STANDARD.
producer goes out of business? Doesn't make much sense...
\_ just like redhat supplanted slackware years ago,
it is more likely a new, better distribution will arise
than that the existing one will vanish abrubtly. note
all the redhat-derivatives that will not vanish. it's
a cultural effect, more than technological.
\_ Most HW design tools are still unix based. Actually Sun is the
standard for CAD tools. Floating point performance is better I
guess. Which DSP tools are you talking about? I bet unix versions
exists, but your company is not buying them because they want to
"standardize" on PCs.
\_ The problem is my company (Analog Devices) makes DSP
chips and associated tools such as the development enviornment
compiler, etc., so I can't convince them to buy something
for UNIX. I probably couldn't even convince them to make
stuff for UNIX since they used to make tools for Windows and
UNIX, but due to the demand they now focus on Windows. So
performance, highly optimized compilers, lack of good
now I must use the abomination known as Visual C++. -emin
\_ You will make a fine addition to our empire. -the emperor
\_ the word I get from people who actually the software is that
solaris is a far more sane development environment than any
of HP-UX, Irix, or Tru64/OSF/Digital Unix. Also, until
recently, x86 PC's (at least on *nix, lets compare apples to
apples) just werent a contender in the high-end CAD market
because of relatively poor memory capacity as well as
performance, lack of highly optimized compilers, of good
floating point, and one could go on and on. Currently
available PC's are now at a point that they can be a real
alternative; now you have tools like synopsys VCS on linux --Jon
\_ i've noticed that the people doing DSP are suckers. they use
UNIX awkwardly. i've noticed that they like to poiint and click.
i think it's also true that most device programmers and anything
that interfaces with a dongle used to come for DOS. windows came
along and they upgraded to windows. DSP and micro programming
was always something you did on a PC. and it started wtih DOS
and migrated to windows. linux is a new fad. just wait for it to die
and your problems will be solved. -ali
\_ Here we go again. ali pretending to be an expert on something
he knows nothing about. I guess we can just wait for ali to
die and our problems will be solved.
\_ heh. you will find that i'm quite right about this. you'll
find that in general, i know a lot more than you about a
lot of things. in fact, i have had sex with your girlfriend
five times already and your mother wants to perform sexual
favors for me but she is too skank for me to let her. -ali
\_ You forgot about the hot gay sex -- mustn't forget
the hot gay sex, bitch. - ali #2 fan
\_ Well, I did yer little sis last night. We did it anal,
oral, vaginal, and titular all night long.
\_ You fucked her title?
\_ If you have to ask,
you don't know(TM).
\_ Hint: titular doesn't mean
what you think it means.
Back to vocabulary boot camp
for you.
\_ You are a pompous fool, aren't you ali?
\_ you sure showed 'em ali! - ali #1 fan!!
\_ Yeah, I was looking for a compiler / development
environment for the embedded system PowerPC 8260, and a
quick search this afternoon yielded only windows-based tools.
I think most people doing DSP are EEs, and are less familiar
with unix. Of course there are people like me who are
expert at both. -- pompous fool but not ali
\_ That can't be. ali is "THE" pompous fool.
\_ i've been asked to clarify my position and my reason for
posting what i posted. it was apparent to me that people replying
to the question had no fucking idea what the original poster
was saying and were talking about CAD tools for chip design
instead of software tools for DSP. i noticed that none of the
replies were relevant and became aggravated with the amount of
shit motd posters are filled with. so i made a quick tempered
post to point out that those replying are dipshits. i'm sorry
i did not use the requisite amount of humility in my post. and
please, when i say "get a fucking clue," take it as a kind
suggestion, not vituperation. you should absolutely feel free
to stay clueless and to keep spewing your uninformed bullshit.
-ali.
\_ The rod up that guy's ass must have a rod up its ass.
\_ Windows PC's are cost-effective and do the job -ee grad
\_ Summary: DSP programming is mainly done on Windows and everyone
hates ali for some reason. |
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