3/30    Can someone recommend a spam filter?  What does soda use?
        \_ A well-configured sendmail.
           \_ I use RBL blocking with my sendmail. It works very well
              for my purposes.
                \_ especially if your purpose is to automatically shit-can
                   legitimate mail at times completely outside your control.
                   Use SpamBouncer if you have to.  -tom
                   \_ Legit mail such as?
                        \_ such as all mail from AOL, or http://socrates.berkeley.edu,
                           or uunet, to name three sites which have been
                           blackholed in the past.  -tom
                           \_ You consider mail from AOL to be legit?  And
                              frankly, you're missing the point of the RBL
                              anyway.  The message RBL users are sending out
                              is that we'd rather not get *any* mail from you
                              if you're going to have open spam relays.  Fix
                              your shit and you're welcome to play in the same
                              sandbox as everyone else.  Run a stupid server
                              that is the source of a million spam and we
                              consider your regular mail not worth receiving
                              when compared to the burden of carrying the rest
                              of the spam crap.
                                \_ fine, stand on principle all you want.  I
                                   prefer to get my mail.  Spam is hardly even
                                   an annoyance.  -tom
                                   \_ More RBL = fewer open relays.  The open
                                      relays probably want others to get their
                                      mail as much as you want to receive it.
                                      The RBL puts the burden on the open relay
                                      servers not the rest of us.  The fewer
                                      open relays, the less spam, the less
                                      annoyance for everyone with the ultimate
                                      utopian goal of no spam for anyone.  Your
                                      answer "just do client side filtering and
                                      hit delete a lot" only drags us back to
                                      the era of getting more spam than email.
                                      It isn't about principle, it's about
                                      increasing the mail to spam ratio.  The
                                      RBL does this without forcing every user
                                      or local mail admin to setup white lists,
                                      black lists, and other crap.
                                        \_ spew all you want, but as I said,
                                           I prefer to get my mail and leave
                                           the high-minded principles to
                                           morons like you.  As long as any
                                           person on the net can send mail to
                                           any other person on the net, for
                                           free, there will be spam.  Get
                                           over it.  -tom