3/20    Hi.  it appears that people have been flaming ][e about vp-like
        administrative policies.  In the future, please direct the mail
        to vice-president@csua.berkeley.edu (duh). - paolo
        \_ Jon's just pissed 'cuz he did more work than he had to
           \_ He's under no contractual obligation to do anything if he
              doesn't want to.
              \_ Just as the VP is under no obligation to do his job if
                 he doesn't want to.  I guess he should email poliburo
                 about it.
                 \_ Actually, the VP has obligations as outlined in the
                    CSUA Constitution.  If he is unable to perform these
                    duties, he should resign.
           \_ he should email vp about it then. - paolo
              \_ I have paolo.  I'm still waiting for you to do your job. -Jon
                 \_ i'm not seeing anything new to root or vp, unless it's
                    the .43 net thing which is solved already. - paolo
                        \_ what about the broken sshd?  -tom
                              \_ Its not broken. It works fine for SSHv1
                                 and OpenSSH clients. Get a different client.
                                \_ what would you call a server that violates
                                   protocols?  I would call it broken.  The
                                   fact that openssh clients also violate
                                   protocols doesn't make the server any
                                   less broken.  And, once again, there's
                                   ABSOLUTELY NO ADVANTAGE TO USING OPENSSH.
                                    -tom
                                    \_ Totally there is!  Open source!
                                      with *BSD, MacOS X, LinSUX, etc.
                                    \_ Why don't we run both versions? Run
                                       the non-OpenSSH version of port 69
                                       so that tom will shutup.
                                   \_ Uh, its free and it comes preinstalled
                                      with *BSD, MacOS X, Linux, etc.
                                      WTF would I want to download something
                                      extra from http://ssh.com that isn't nearly
                                      as well audited as OpenSSH and isn't
                                      free for corporate users?
                                        \_ what difference does it make
                                           whether it's free for corporate
                                           users?  You would want to download
                                           it because IT SUPPORTS MORE CLIENTS.
                                           Are you really this stupid?  -tom
                                           \_ Because some of us are corporate
                                              users, not gub'ment 'ployees.
                                   \_ since you clearly are not making any
                                      progress getting the powers that be to
                                      switch from OpenSSH, why don't you
                                      harass the OpenSSH people and get them
                                      to fix it?
                                   \_ So, you like the added bloat of having
                                      to start the ssh1 daemon every time an
                                      ssh1 client connects? Once OpenSSH
                                      supports shession rekeying (promissed in
                                      the next major release) there will be
                                      no reason not to use OpenSSH.
                           \_ That's an old thing that he isn't fixing, not
                              a new thing.
                                \_ well, like Jon said, he's not doing his
                                   job.  -tom
                                   \_ It's a student .org.  No one cares but
                                      you.  Run for VP.  Oh wait, you can't.
                \_ what the fuck are you bitter, insignificant
                   poor suffering morons whining about?
                   \_ lack of asian chic?
                      \_ azn chix p.
                         \_ SKY?  Is that you SKY?  Is Muchandr dead?
                            \_ Muchandr is not dead, but he looks like a shadow
                               of his former rambunctious self, haunting
                               Berkeley downtown.