2/22 Come on. How hard could it be for some X savy Gnome lover out there
to script up a "minimize all"? It was the best think about windows
98 and after 3 years i can't find it for my linux box (i've searched
a little but not a huge amount so point the way if i just missed it).
\_ use win98 then, foo.
\_ Serves you right for using a shitty window manager with a shitty
OS. Personally, I use TWM or a toned down afterstep. GUIs are for
little boys.
\_ TWM is not a GUI?
\_ Yes! A fellow twm user!
\_ who besides programmers and sysadmins do you really think
uses a command line interface anymore?
\_ People who want to get work done and not play with themselves
all day changing "themes"? Oh wait, you're a linux user,
\_ he said as much.
right?
\_ he said as much: "my linSUX box"
work where you do -Sys. Admin.
\_ hey Dummy, "He" wasn't The Original Poster.
(and i knew this thread was likely to jump-start
the then fresh motd, but this is more than i had
hoped for) -TOP
\_ programmers know how to use a command line? Boy I'd like to
work where you do -Sys. Admin. (TOP2)
\_ i wasn't trying to make some coder v.s. sysadmin point,
i am neither. I use NT because the comercial software
that does what I need that is easy to use is written for
nt. I think most artists and writers use macos,
and most non-computer related engineers use NT,
\_ Uh, no. As an electrical engineer and ASIC
designer, you don't use NT. All useful CAD
tools are written either for Solaris or HPUX
(and in some cases Linux). You won't find
Synopshit or Cadence tools for NT (at least none
worth using). As for advanced civil, aerospace,
geological, or automotive engineering they rely
on IRIX machines to do any relevant work. Lets
see you do complex fluid dynamics simulation on
your NT box. Only E28 AutoCAD weenies use NT.
and you're average home user is on 98 or 2000.
I'm not saying this a s a holy war starter, just an
observation. all 99% of users out in userland care about
is ease of use, number of useful software products,
and convenience for getting on the web, and that's it!
\_ Not sure what software you are talking about,
but I find NT to be a POS for anything remotely
network related. No inetd, no named, a shitty
web/ftp server, crappy userland (MKS and UWIN
and CygWin suck), no rcp, ssh barely works,
no nfs, no appleshare, crappy browsers, broken
ping and traceroute, shitty version of telnet,
crappy kernel threads. I could go on, but you
probably don't care because you can get 30 FPS
in Q3A in NT and that's all you care about in
word workds? I really am curious.
an OS.
Even LinSUX is better than NT.
\_ look. try to imagine that you are a mechanical
engineer who designes jet ingines for boeing or
something. All you need to do is use AutoCAD to
make drawings and matlab to do simulations and
calculations. that's all. anything else you
do at work is either offline, like talking to
co-workers and doing pencil and paper calculations
or is essentially time-wasting, like surfing the
web or fiddling wiht your screensaver. why do
you care what OS is running autoCAd and matlab,
as long as they work? or tell me whay a writer
who never typesets anything but text, and makes
regular backups to zip, cd and hardcopy from word
which she runs on macOS gives a damn as long as
viewed with lynx.
word works? I really am curious.
\_ I stuided ME, so don't give me this shit.
My dad has been a practicing ME (with a PE)
for 30+ yrs and designed stuff for the
Space Shuttle. They totally care what OS
they are running. Try doing a complex
Finite Element analysis or stress anaylsis
on a WinNT box (even a 4 way Xenon) and
you will be sitting there all week praying
that it doesn't crash half way through.
You need a real computer with a real
OS to do this sort of work. Prefered
OS are Solaris and IRIX on Origin 2ks.
The same is true of almost any kind of
numerical analysis that MatLab is used
for. I worked on airframes for SST prototypes
and no NT machine could crunch our data
in MatLab within a acceptable period of
time (two days) and an acceptable level
of accuracy (it screws up on x86, but not
on Sparc or MIPS).
BTW, I've also written books and you are
right about MacOS. I wouldn't use anything
else for writing (I tried Windows and LinSUX).
I like MacOS, I can open up a few SSH terms
and work on REAL computers, whilst retaining
a reasonably friendly GUI environment.
Windows can't even do that.
\_ OK, ME was a bad example, and i hereby
admit to talking out of my ass about what
a mechanical engineer actually uses in
aerospace, but I think the point still
holds for a large number of profesions. for
*any* profession, you care about what is
available to do your job, not os holy wars.
if the best hardware platform for you simulations
were a cluster of apple IIgs's networked with
OS/2, I claim that's what you would use, even
if you hate IBM and apple and have some silly
quarel with the individual programmers involved
in writing the os. as far as i can tell, most
of the linux vs *bsd vs solaris dispute is
a matter of issues that are largely personal.
\_ for most people who run it at home, its
a matter of taste. I prefer *BSD and Solaris
because they seem "professional".
LinSUX still seems like a toy.
\_ sun almost everyone is cli. Used to work at cisco,
it was 75% there.
\_ I love it when sys admins get a fat head and start
acting superior. It's really cute. Maybe you should
research the companies or positions you're interested
in before applying, bonehead.
\_ I've found most coders know how to use a command line
just enough to cause themselves trouble. I prefer my
current job where the coders don't pretend to know
anything outside their c/c++/java/whatever. The
smartest people are the ones who know their limits.
--not the same sysadmin as above
\_ Hmm. Maybe I'm very fortunate then -- most of
coders I work with are pretty command-line
savvy. <shrug>
\_ You are a dumbass. My porn and my stock charts look crappy when
viewed with lynx. -TOP
\_ But dude, there's all sorts of kewl ascii porn out there
and the stocks are just numbers and symbols. WTF is wrong
with lynx for that? You need a gui to see your stocks drop?
\_ soda [~] % locate squick.vt
/home/digital/ari/squick.vt.gz
/home/digital/coganman/pub/squick.vt.gz
/home/sequent/payam/squick.vt
/home/sequent/runes/squick.vt
\_ Minimize all is a major factor for you? Dude. You suck.
\_ So when another OS or GUI has it, it isn't an important feature
but when your religion has a feature someone else doesn't have,
then it's a critical issue? RIDE BIKE! USE LINUX! KNOW GNOME!
\_ GROW UP!
\_ That's my point idiot. Being religiously dependant on such
stupid crap is...well...stupid. You suck even more for
making it a religious issue. |
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