2/14 Got no date? Want something more than another valentines day
staring at source code? Come see: "Hungry for Profit"
Wednesday, February 14th @ 7pm 210 Wheeler
come and learn how
* U$ agricultural interests abroad destroy 3rd world nat'l economies
* Agribusiness perpetuates environmental degredation
* Imperialism keeps millions of people on the brink of starvation to
benefit the First World
\_ Going vegan can help solve the problem.
http://www.vegan.org/about_vegan_environment.html (especially the
last section)
\_ Uh, how? Vegans eat vegitables that require farming which
contributes to environmental collapse. You should switch
to starvation and dieting like super models.
\_ Raising cattle or poultry also requires farming and
environmental collapse. For every calorie of meat
you produce requires you to put in 1000 calories to
feed and raise that animal.
\_ Glad I'm a vegitarian and not contributing to the
\_ Commie alert
collapse of the "environment". Not that I give a
shit about it.
\_ It doesn't solve the problem completely but it helps solve
the problem by slowing down collapse.
\_ All this collapse is bullshit. You sound like Al Bore
or Jimmy Carter. Americans should not be limited to small
dreams. BTW, I'm vegitarian by choice, and not because
I'm concerned with the "planet" and the "future".
\_ Typical sodan thinking. Well, you just keep that
to yourself. Most people do care about the "future".
By the way, if you're really concerned about your
health (and you probably aren't because you're
not concerned about other things as well) you
would add a little meat in your diet since meat
contains certain protiens you can't find in other
protien alternatives.
\_ My people have been vegitarian for thousands
of years and they have been living just fine.
The average lifespan in my family is ~ 90
yrs all disease free. I have the same diet
they do, I'm not going to change because some
idiot motd poster things that meat is good
for you. If you read modern medical science
you will find that any animal fat is bad for
your health. The lower on the food chain you
go for your nurishment, the better.
And all this "future" bs, we've got to save
the planet for the "future", we've got to
cut back on modern civilization so that the
"future generations" can enjoy the "planet"
is total crap. You basically want to restrict
technological progress because you can't
keep up and you want to condemn future
generations to live in an undeveloped
society.
\_ there are 9 amino acids humans can't produce.
all of them are found in the plant world.
\_ Maybe you'll learn to spell protein sometime soon.
\_ PLUZ! A world economy reduces the chance of world wars, as people
are too busy trying to exploit each other. I'd rather have that
than the holocaust, combat casualties, biological weapons and etc.
\_ Typical Left-Wing Mythology. Let's all become communists like
in CCCP and Cuba and live in dirty little hovels shivering in
the cold without the benefit of modern civilization. Idiot.
\_ not to argue pro-communism, but imperialist policies do extract
an unequal exchange of values from third-world countries, via
their technological and political leverage, thus keeping them
much poorer than they would otherwise be. a Buick regal should
not equal 10,000,000 bananas but it often does.
\_ This is incorrect. Foreign investment NEVER hurts a country.
\_ Commie alert - I dont think Marx could have said it
better himself.
\_ why would anyone that poor want to buy a buick regal?
\_ why would anyone want to buy a buick regal?
\_ Do you have one? It is not too expensive and
is a reasonably reliable car.
\_ the real reason 3rd world countries are poor is because they
breed too much. they're already poor, then have 10 kids who
end up with 1/10 of what their parents had, except for the
few who make it to the very top. you cannot build wealth across
generations if you're having that many kids, it's quite simple.
growth of gdp has to exceed population growth for net per capita
gain. but instead we have whole nations in africa where unicef
aid is the primary economic force and they no longer even know
how to provide for themselves, yet still have 10 kids. it's like
feeding raccoons in your backyard, soon there are twice as many
and they completely depend on you.
\_ This is the problem that they have in India. The birth
rate of the poorest people is about 5-10 per family.
A good way to help these people has yet to be devised,
as they reject education (its free) or better living
conditions.
When the government clean up the slums and build good
housing for slum dwellers, they ended up selling the
free housing and returning to the slums. When the gov.
offered free education for the poorest children, few
showed up, prefering to engage in menial labor.
First world consumption has nothing to do with the
poverty these people face. Thier misery is thier own
doing.
\_ I believe in Rush!
\_ That's why we should support commie China's birth control
policies.
\_ No. I don't think that it should be forced. But
people ought to understand that a high birth rate
is unsustainable and voluntarily stop.
It is the part about making people understand that
is difficult.
\_ even if they understand, they won't voluntarily
stop. it's like traffic congestion. we all
understand that if most of us employed alternative
transportation the roads would be clearer, so what.
why should i do it if you don't.
\_ alternative transportation? you mean RIDE
BIKE?!? I live +30 miles from work. I can't
possibly RIDE BIKE! Yeah I could take a bus,
but I just have to change 5 times and it only
takes 5 hours. What about the train you say?
Well for $6.50 a day, its cheaper and faster
to drive.
If well planned alternative transport was
available I would take it. I have in the past.
I took BART from Fremont every day for the
four years I was at Cal.
\_ yes but that's my point; using other transport
is a disadvantage to you so you won't do it
unless you have to, or unless it's only
slightly less convenient than cars. thus
the analogy to people stopping having kids.
which deprives them of their instinctive
reproduction need and...oh forget it. besides
no one forced you to live +30 mi from work.
\_ I can't afford to pay $1800-$2400 in rent
every month after the IRS gets its unfair
share.
The BART was farily less convenient than
driving, but I still did it because it
was reasonably priced and moderately well
planned and managed. The trains and buses
are no where near that well run. If they
were I would take them.
\_ Driving costs ~$0.32 per mile on average when
maintenance, depreciation, etc. are taken
into account. That's how much you can deduct
on the tax form for driving your own car for
business purpose.
\_ I don't think the IRS will take too kindly
to my deducting $0.32 for each mile driven.
Anyway, I've tried public transport to work,
it just doesn't work for me and I believe
that it doesn't for most people, that's
why buses and trains go empty.
Planning is key to public transport and
that is sorely lacking in CA.
\_ yeah, maybe we can come up with a darwinist birth policy.
we say a kid is worth like $200k. for each kid you want,
you have to pay the gov't that amount. problem solved.
\_ Uhhh.. pay the government!? Why? Why not just stop
(in this country) providing monetary incentives for
poor families to have more children? Why not instead
provide no monies at all to support the kids, and
if they have them and can't care for them, offer them
to the families who can afford them that want kids.
\_ hey, this is the motd, we already know all that stuff!
\_ come anyway. it's a decent film.
\_ and these people are the same ones who voted for
Clinton & Gore - gimme a break
\_ yeah right, russia had their whole nation starve with communisism
and their food lines.
\_ Don't argue... If it were up to me I would send the whole
american communist lot to China or Russia for an educational
two-week tour of the likely results of the hegemony of the
proletariat. -- born in russia
\_ Just because you extremist dumb fucks screwed things up,
doesn't mean others will.
\_ You don't understand. Property redistribution is wrong.
The more you go with it, the worse off you will be.
Don't give me your misguided relativism. Communism is
a bad idea. Always was, always will be. It's a good thing
many people can actually learn from Russia's tragic
mistakes, even if overfed dumb fucks like you can't.
\_ Sorry. Liberals != Communists. I know it may be
hard for little russian ex-commies to understand
that. The main reason soviet union failed is
due to having a command economy rather than a
market economy. Nobody is suggesting that
we turn the economy into a command economy.
\_ You don't want to be lecturing a 'little russian
ex-commie' on why CCCP failed. The reason CCCP
failed is because 'property redistribution' ==
invitation to loot the wealthy (i.e. productive)
members of society. No society succeeds with such
an economic plan. A command economy was an after-
thought, a temporary way to keep a dead body in
motion for a few more years.
\_ Like I said, you don't have to
push things to extremes. A little
"redistribution of wealth" like the
progressive tax and intelligent use of
welfare to help people with difficulties
get back up is actually good for the
economy. Of course you do not want to
constantly redistributing wealth such that
there no longer is any incentive to work.
\_ taxation is a violation of my freedom.
The founding fathers knew this and it
was banned until early this century.
Progressive taxation which takes money
from someone who rightfully owns it
and gives it to someone who doesn't
is a crime. It should be outlawed.
Its my damn money and you've no right
to it. If I choose to help poor people
that is my right. If I don't that is
my right too. You should not take it
from me because you think that it is
right.
\_ Some people here in the west are just too dumb
to understand how bad the living conditions are
in a communist society. They think that the
everyone is equal because everyone is a poor
peon is a good thing.
\_ Is it free? I don't want to have to pay to get brainwashed, lied
to, mislead, and only told one side of a very complex story. Also,
what are my odds of picking up a real hottie commie chick and
getting some action after the flick? If I show the proper signs of
being brainwashed do my chances go up? Are there any hottie commie
chicks or are they all hairy armpit club wielding Berkeley leftists?
\_ hottie commie chicks is an oxymoron. There was a saying in
communist russian: What do you call a pretty girl in Russia?
A tourist.
\_ Nah. I remember this very pretty russian gymnast who,
after coming to the US, became fat and ugly.
\_ maybe if your idea of pretty is "prepubescent anorexic." |
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