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2001/1/8-9 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:20268 Activity:high
1/8     Question: Why do airline pilots make ~$300k?  This seems signifcantly
        larger than a silicon valley engineer.
        \_ new pilots make ~30-40K in their first 2-3 years living as poor
           CFIs. Then they fly for commuter airlines, most likely multi-twin
           turboprops for another 5-6 years w/ only 50-60K. It takes about
           10 more years before they make 100K, and another 10 years before
           they see that 300K. They get 1-2 million for their retirement but
           that's another story.
        \_ because their training takes at least 100K and several years
           to get them certified.  You can't just walk in off the street and
           fly multimillion dollar jumbo jets.  -ERic
           \_ You can't?  God damn it!  Now I need a new plan.
        \_ the only pilots making anywhere close to that much are aircraft
           commanders (aka captains) flying the flagship aircraft.. the big
           ones and the new ones.  it takes many years and tons of flight
           time to qualify for those.. during which you usually get paid shit
           and peanuts.  -shac
        \_ Because they also work 12-16 hour days, have fairly unpredictable
           work schedules, rarely get to go home, and unlike engineers,
           are responsible for the lives of about 300+ people, and require
           years of training.  Remember, commute airline pilots don't make
           anywhere near that, rather the 747 ones do.  -John
                   \_ Many engineers are responsible for lives of millions
                      through the product they create. Many software
                      engineers, too. Just not the dotcommies. And the ones
                      that _are_ are generally paid much less than your
                      average Si valley dotcommunist.
                        \_ Yeah but you're not driving an E10k for 16
                           hours straight staring at a bajillion blinkenlights
                           and if you fuck it up all the life support machines
                           in town blow up.  -John
                           \_ How about flying a plutonium-filled spacecraft
                              on approach to Earth? Is that enough
                              responsibility? Airline pilots are glorified
                              bus drivers. --dim
                              \_ Okay I will drive the bus, and you drive
                                 the fully fueled 747.  If you get there in
           They have a skill you can't get from a  XYZ For Dummies book.
                                 the same number of pieces as I do, I'll
        \_ not making $300K? speak for yourself.
                                 buy you dinner.  Been watching "Airplane"
                                 again?  -John
                                 \_ So clearly astronauts should be making
                                    a lot more than they do? --dim
                           \_ I heard that in the near future all military
                              planes would be unmanned.
                              \_ The wars of tomorrow will be fought by
                                 robots. And so your mission is clear -
                                 to build and maintain those robots.
                      \_ I fucking hate when people put their shit in the
                         middle of someone else's comments.  Don't fucking
                         interrupt!  FUCK!  That pisses me off.  And no,
                         engineers are not making split second decisions
                         that can wipe out a few hundred people in an eye
                         blink.  They engineer shit which hopefully goes
                         through a lot of testing and verifying and rebuilding
                         numerous times before being inflicted on the public.
                         Don't try to compare your Lockheed Martin missile
                         building project with flying a 747 over populated
                         areas.  The pilot gets paid those bucks because
                         he's worth it.  You're not.  Don't delude yourself.
                      \_ A crashing plane != a crashing NT server
                         \_ My plane's onboard avionics runs on NT Server.
                            Should I be worried?
                            \_ no you should be looking for a parachute and
                                the emergency exit.
                                \_ Or a different plane in another city.
        \_ And 747 pilots aren't a dime-a-dozen like c++ and java coders.
           They have a skill you can't get from an XYZ For Dummies book.
           \_ Although Lufthansa desperately seeks to prove otherwise.  -John
              \_ What does Lufthansa do?
                 \_ Feed you worse-than-usual slop, drink before flying
                    (mine did), save more money than usual by recirculating
                    air, try to loop 747s, bomb Poland, etc.  -John
                        \_ What's wrong with bombing Poland?
                \_ Use pilots that got to chapter 6 or higher in Flying 747s
                   For Dummies.
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