10/13 What is wrong with those arabs? Bombing American vessels, killing
Israeli soldiers, etc. Do they want to get nuked or what?
\_ enough of this racist bickering. it hurts you know. if you
want to know the two sides, please see--
arab point of view: http://www.middleeast.org
israeli point of view: http://www.jpost.com
\_ What is wrong with those Israelis? Opressing Palestinians,
killing children for throwing rocks, etc. What is wrong with our
government that sends my tax dollars to them every year?
\_ The Israelis did not start the fighting. The criminal
\_ Basically why are the so f'ed up?
PLO keeps inciting them. How do you think this nation
would react if a bunch of thugs kept killing its citizens?
Israelis have shown remarkable restraint despite numerous
provocations.
\_ that's pretty ridiculous. "the fightning" has been going
on for thousands of years. read the bible. it's probably
the only true bit.
\_ restraint? Almost all the deaths over the past three weeks
were Arab deaths. As of this morning, it was 7 Israelis
and 90+ Palestinians that died.
\_ The PLO started the killing. The Israelis are
defending themselves. Besides its all that dick
head Clintons' fault. He pushed the Israelis
and the PLO too far too fast in the hopes of
making himself look good. Its not our place to
force other nations to the peace table.
\_ This is deliberate. The Israelis cannot exchange one
life for another given the population disparities.
\_ what is the intent of your question? is it to incite thought
or comments? it does a pretty poor job. if you're just looking
for an answer, the answer is "no." -ali
\_ why do you appear to be offended ali? It's just a naive
question coming from a stupid ignorameous.
\_ or a troll.
\_ I find it hard to understand why these people feel they
need to resort to such actions. Do they think that they
can be violent without inciting a response? What is it
\_ Several religions are notably peaceful: Hinduism,
Buddhism, Quaker(ism?). Of these only hindus are
willing to take up arms in *extereme* cases.
about that religion that makes people behave in the most
irrational ways?
\_ Because they are completely f'ed up.
\_ let me assume that by "that relgion" you mean "the
arab religion" in which case i would have to reply
with "you fucking imbecile. learn some culture before
you decide you have an opinion about something," thus
swiftly dismissing the discussion. -ali
\_ He means Islam. Most arabs are also Muslims. Don't
be a greater idiot than usual ali.
\_ which is even worse. he's saying that the act
was incited by religion. that's bullshit. i think
culture in general had a lot more to do with it.
if he wants to say "religion has a greater influence
in their culture than anything else" then i'll still
have to call him an idiot. the implied causality
in his question is completely fatuous.
\_ I don't understand why these people act in the
manner that they do. My understanding is that
they are driven by the "will of god" (as they
percieve it), thus I conclude that thier religion
(if you can all it a religion) leads them to it.
There is also historical precedence for followers
that particular "religion" inciting conflicts where
it is unnecessary, the Moors in Spain, the Sultans
in India, etc.
\_ As opposed to the Christians who brought
the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, and
numerous other atrocities in the name of
their religion.
\_ Um, as I recall the reformation
corrected most of these problems.
How come there hasn't been a similar
move in islam?
\_ To expect reformation from a
people whose heritage includes
murdering their prophets chosen
successor is the height of stupidity.
\_ palestinians might be driven by the hopeless
desperation intrinsic in being systematically
oppressed and denied fundamental human rights.
think about it.
\_ NOT! The PLO is a bunch of murdering thugs.
They would be criminals whether or not they
were "oppressed". If you wish to speak about
oppressed people in the Middle East, only the
Israelis fall into that category.
\_ israel has violated numerous international
human rights laws. palestinian refugees
don't even have the right to return. look
at the facts. zionism is racism.
\_
Both the Palestinians and the Jews have a reasonable claim to the
same piece of land. Because of various reasons, mostly religious,
a significant minority of each party is not willing to consider
the others position and is willing to resort to any provocation,
including mass murder and terrorism, to advance their agenda.
In such a situation, no peace is possible -ausman
\_ Israel has reacted in the only
fesiable way. If America was
surrounded by enemies we would
arm our borders and take enemy
land to buffer our people as much
as possible. Don't give me that
human rights bs. Israel MPs did
not order hits and bombings on
civilian targets for terrorizing
people into getting what they
want. The PLO did that. They are
criminals and those that stand
with them are criminals also.
\_ you sound like a brainwashed
zionist.
\_ Refute the argument you
anti-semitic pig.
\_ how does anti-semitism
fit into this? it's anti-
zionism.
\_ you sound like a brainwashed
Hamas idiot.
\_ I believe that the terms
"brainwashed" and "idiot"
are superflous when used
to refer to the Hamas.
Membership to that elite
organization requires a
level of mental capacity
which is rarely seen in
most humans (at least ones
that are born with a brain).
\_ No, it's religion in general. All religions are about
equally fucked up. The jews and their state, the
Muslims and their jihad, the Mormons with their preaching/
converting, the Christians with their Crusades.
\_ There are several religions which are peaceful.
Hindus, Buddhists, Quakers.
\_ Hindus have a reputation for fighting. Well, India
does, to say the least. Put three hindus in a room
and you get three points of view.
\_ Disagreement is different than resorting to
violence. Hindus are extremely risk averse,
and will chose to take up arms only if all
other options have failed.
\_ Religion is a sham and a crutch for weak-minded
people who need strength in numbers.
\_ If you believe this, you do not understand
religion. Read a book by Joseph Campbell and
perhaps you will understand. Oops, I forgot
you and your WWF brothers don't know how to
read.
\_ I am very well read in Joseph Campbell.
Jesse may or may not have good reasons for
his belief, but the idea itself is sound.
\_ How can it possibly be sound? Please
clarify.
\_ Let's take religions that define a god.
None of these gods exists as described.
\_ What Campbell books have you read?
I'm not sure how you arrived at
this conclusion, but you have not
understood eastern religions at
all, specifically hinduism. In
hinduism God is defined as
all that is. Only God exists,
all else is just an aspect of
God.
\_ Arguing about hinduism and many
Eastern religions can get very
hairy (many are more philosophies
than religions), and becomes
distracting from the core
argument.
When we talk about traditional
Christianity, the notion that
the Christian God does not exist
is much more self-evident.
\_ From my readings of christian
texts written by christian
saints, the concept of God
is similar to that of many
eastern religions. I think
that perhaps the traditional
Catholic or Protestant view
of God may be incomplete
though.
\_ From my reading of the Bible,
the Christian God is an
entity as well as a concept.
This entity does not exist.
\_ I admit that I have not
read the bibile in its
entirity. Perhaps the
entity as described
there in does not exist.
But the original post
does not specify a
Christian God.
\_ Is it not safe to assume
that Jesse Ventura is
speaking of, for the
most part, Christians?
I didn't read the whole
Bible either; it's
pretty clear after a
few chapters, though,
that the Christian God is
put forth not only as a
concept but an entity.
\_ The US isn't going to nuke anyone ever again. The political
fallout just ain't worth it.
\_ This is a policy started by Truman. He was too scared to
use the bomb that he hampered his generals in Korea from
decisively winning that conflict leading to the diminished
usefulness of our most powerful weapons.
\_ Are you intentionally being a complete idiot? You might
as well have said, the unfortunately outcome of WWII lead
to the termination of Auschwitz as the most powerful
killing machine the world has ever seen. Follow that by,
can we just release biological weapons over the general
vaccinity of the middle east? I'll bet you'd like to
torture POW's, too.
\_ You misunderstand my point. Why should we have weapons
if we are too afraid to use them?
\_ We SHOULDN'T HAVE NUKES!
\_ I totally agree. We should replace our tactical
nukes with space based weapons platforms. Big
Guns in the Sky that can defend America's
freedom from her enemies whereever they be.
\_ If you play Civilization III, you'll realize the precedence
of power in different civilizations:
military units < religion < mass media < lawyers + injunctions
To advance in civilization, you must research research research.
As you approach industrialization and information revolution,
you need units that are more deadly than the previous era but
at the same time pose less physical threat. Religion served
well as a weapon, but that era is over.
\_ lol! Civilization III does not exist yet. It's Civ: CTP. |
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