9/15    What's up with soda recently? Why all of the reboots? Maybe
        its time to upgrade to FreeBSD 4.1 Stable? Or OpenBSD 2.7?
        \_ There aren't REBOOTS, child, they are CRASHES.  Soda is less
        \_ They aren't REBOOTS, child, they are CRASHES.  Soda is less
           stable than my NT workstation at work.
           \_ what do you use your NT box for? A door stop? A paper
              weight? Playing solitare/minesweeper? Find me a NT machine
              that can support 300 concurrent remote logins and serve
              web pages and mail and all the other stuff that soda does.
              here. We ought not switch to a inferior Finnish update,
              regardless of how nice Linus is as a person.
              \_ It's a development box.  And soda used to be stable once
                 with 300+ concurrent users and everything.  And then something
                 broke and it crashes every week.  Stop giving the stupid,
                 wrong excuse.
                 \_ Okay, find me a NT development box that can do as
                    much with *developement* code (NT is released code).
              \_ Find me an NT machine that can support 1 remote logins.
                           \_ Use UWIN, David Korn's only redeeming
                              contribution to software.
                        \_ Come meet our office Citrix server.
                 \_ Does soda run MS Office, etal? That's all that counts.
                        \_ Not for what soda's used for it doesn't.
                    \_ It could run MS Office very easily. Either via WINE
                       or VMWare or via StarOffice which is in the ports
                       collection. But your NT machine couldn't hold a candle
                       to what soda does (on so little) every day using FreeBSD.
                    \_ What an incredibly stupid question.
        \_ This machine will not be upgraded.  There is no point, only Mark VI.
        \_ Time for Redhat Linux
           \_ Uh, this is http://soda.berkeley.edu. What part of http://berkeley.edu
              do you not understand. The BEST OS in the KNOWN UNIVERSE
              (4.4 BSD: A REAL Operating System for Real Users) was built
              here. We ought not switch to an inferior Finnish OS,
              regardless of how nice Linux is as an OS.
              \_ Mikeh is the last FreeBSD vp we'll have.  Deal with reality
        and linux you freebsd fascist. Have a day.
                        \_ Then expect alumni to seize power and restore
                           sense to your senseless linux crap.
                           \_ bwhahaha.  do it then.  take the athlon
                              make it yours.  go on.  run bsd on it.
              \_ and yet 162 is being taught on win2k next semester...
                 \_ ARGV! ARGC! I can't fscking believe this.
                        \_ Didn't you hear? Windows NT is better than Unix.
                           It's been scientifically proven. That's why all
                           the computer scientists are switching to it.
                              \_ By M$ scientists no less.
                                 \_ You mean M$ scientologists.
                           \_ I thought it was because all the idiots at
                              UPE were complaining to the CS profs to buy
                              more worthless junk.
                           \_ Roughly but not quite. There is always
                              \_ HP-UX doesn't count as worthless anymore?
                 \_ It is? Who is teaching it and is this something that may
                    change semester to semester?
                 \_ And if that isn't enough, they're also using Java. Next
                    thing we know Berkeley CS will be taught on Windows boxen
                    using C# abd visual basic.
                        \_ This is when Berkeley goes from being a University
                           to a trade school.
                           \_ Roughly. There is always
                              some sort of trade-off between teaching
                              students something mildly marketable
                              so they got they don't come out completly unaware
                              of the current tools, and theory.
                              Each class, you will learn how to use
                              current tools of the trade, but it doesn't
                              change the content of the examination
                              or knowing the underlying ideas.
                    \_ Java's not so bad, at least it was invented by people
                       who work at a company that would not exist except for
                       Berkeley.
                        \_ Ray Neff put Sun on the map!  -John
        \_ OpenBSD is SMP now?
           \_ not yet. soda is SMP? I though that went out when we
              switched from DyNIX.