7/14    Could someone give me a salary estimate for an entry level java
        programmer...say in northern vs. southern california?
        \_ easily and with real examples:
           karenp (large co in silicon valley: starting : 80K)
           \_ 80K for entry_level?  what for 4yr+ exp?
           \_ hey, how do you "always answer a question literally" dorks
              respond to every day greetings like "how are you?" or
              "what's up?"
              \_ http://www-inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~karenp
           this should show you that LA sucks ass.  Well, actually
           LA just plains sucks ass no matter what.
                \_ Wow, "sucks ass" is still as declasse as the first time I
                   saw it.
                \_ Only sucks asses from LA use "sucks ass".
        \_ 50k.
        \_ yes
        \_ no.
           keithyw (small co in shitty LA: starting 54K)
           \_ http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~prole/images/keith.jpg
        \_ I got offered $75k from both northern and southern cal companies.
           Some company in Texas (you can guess which one) offered me $110k.
           I'm staying in the Bay Area. I just graduated. So any experience
           I have is only school/internship based.
           \_ This is ridiculous.  It has nothing to do with the thread.
               You just wanted to say you got an offer.  And I bet you spend
               your saturday nights watching trashy movies you find on the
               internet.  You disgust me.
               \_ I like those movies. I like my offers. I also like Star Trek.
           \_ If true, all this says is Texans are stupid and so are you for
              not taking them up on it.  Are you a Texan, too?
              \_ No. You couldn't pay me enough to live with Texans.
                 \_ Perhaps foolish. For the cost-of-living in TX, in 1 year
                    you could earn/save twice as much as if you lived here.
                    You'd save enough for a downpayment on a house in the BA.
                    \_ For some people working 25% more to make 50% more is
                       worth it. For some people it isn't.
        \_ really depends on where you work.  Shitty big companies where
           half the people get away with doing nothing will pay you more.
           Small interesting companies where you have to pull your weight
           will pay you less.  Yah life isn't fair.  The question is,
           are you a whore?
           \_ Big companies don't necessarily pay more than small co's.
              Interview, collect offers, see what happens.  Do the math.
              \_ No, but what I mean is that it does happen that way.
                 I do not mean to say that all big companies always pay more.
                 \_ how can you have ment to say something when you weren't the
                    person who wrote this in the frist place?
                 \_ From my experience and experience of my friends who are
                    also fresh grads, startups generally pay MORE than
                    big companies (in terms of salary and number of options).
                    Big companies oftentimes give better relocation or
                    starting bonuses, and they claim that their options are
                    more likely to be worth something.
                 \_ I have been on both sides of the world. Good big companies
                    aren't budging if you ask for LOTS of money plus stocks,
                    and of course all the other perks that come with it. Small
                    companies (that have no VC funding) may not as much mone-
                    tary power but MAY offer potentials once they go public,
                    when they debut their product(s) or when they get bought
                    out. Your mileage however may vary, so check all the facts
                    before taking an offer from a small company. In my exp.
                    however, I get paid better at a small startup, but of
                    course I have to work 2-3 times harder than at big firm.