7/6     Anyone knows of a good AT-form factor (not ATX) motherboard for
        use with Pentium IIIs or Celerons?  I want to upgrade an older
        system (166MMX) and need to change the motherboard for a faster
        CPU but my computer case is for AT type motherboards, but they
        seem to be a dying breed.  Where can I find a good one of those?
        Asus P2B-B, I believe.
        \_ Asus P2B-B, I believe.
        \_ Anus P2B-B, I believe.
        \_ So you're going to keep your 5 y/o video, disk, and other crap
           and just replace the cpu/mb?  And you'll get top notch performance?
           No.  You're wasting your money.  Either up to a K6-2 300 or just
           buy all new everything.  I upgraded my p5-166 by copying my
           personal data to a newly purchased p3 system and installing unix
           on the p5.  Amazing what a decent little server a p5 still makes.
           \_ DO NOT get a K6-2 300.  They're defective.  I've attempted
                4 different linux/BSD installs and they ALL crash.  That
                machine is still collecting dust.  Fuck AMD.
                \_ Yep.  Must be the AMD.  Couldn't possibly be any of the
                   other hardware or something you fucked up.  Fuck AMD.
                   \_ Right.  That's why AMD offered to replace them for
                        awhile, but then refused to exchange mine.
                        Obviously because other hardware was fucked.
                \_ I had lots of problems with AMD and Cyrix.  Save yourself
                   a headache now or later... go with Intel, linux is
                   developed on it.   Also, watchout that the 3com ethernet
                   card is the exact one specified as supported.  I once
                   got a 3com905b instead of a 3com905, and it wasnt
                   supported.  Get an intel etherexpress, and save headaches.
                        -- have 5 linux machines, have intel stock
           \_ I can upgrade other stuff when there is a need.  Right now,
              I think if I don't upgrade my motherboard, I may not be able
              to find any AT motherboard later.  Upgrading the cpu/mb to
              say a celeron is cheap too. My 4mb diamond stealth vram is old,
              but it's good enough if I just run unix and don't play games.
              2 gigs of HD ain't bad.  I also really like my solid steel
              mini-tower case from pcpowercooling and ain't ready to
              dump it yet.  I am getting a Dell because I don't want to
              build a new system from scratch anymore, but I want to keep
              my old system useful for a few more years, hence the mb/cpu
              upgrade.  Thanks for your advice though.
                \_ Point being that you're not going to get that much out of
                   it so you're wasting money.  Graduate, avoid grad school,
                   get job, buy new hardware, be happy.
                   \_ Nah, with maybe $130, I can make it a very decent unix
                      box.  Why spend $800-$900 for a new entry level PC?