6/28 Anybody opposed to extending the sales tax to fund Bart to San Jose?
Sales tax is a very regressive tax. The poor are paying for this
BART extension.
\_ Taxes are evil. BART should be fully private. The whole
institution of public [transportation|housing|schools|utilities]
is an evil remnant of the pro-communist New Deal.
\_ The New Deal, New Society, blah blah blah, the
luser COMMIES (I mean democrats) FDR, JFK, LBJ forced
on America are the worst thing that has ever happened
to this great nation. We would be 10 times the nation
we are today if not for the liberal communist junkies
holding us back.
\_ It's all the fault of the Illuminati. Fortunately
the Majestic 12 have splintered off and are ready
to kick some ass.
\_ Majestic ... MAJESTIC!
\_ It's not that taxes are evil, per se. Some amount of tax
is necessary for services such as the police, fire, and
cal from Fremont for 3 1/2 years (93-97) and in that
time the ticket price went from ~ 2.50 to ~ 5.50. They
more than doubled the ticket price, with the promise
of better service, but they never got around to fixing
the ticket machines, elevators or even increasing the
train frequency.
emergency medical folks. The military can't be privately
funded either. Sales tax for BART is ridiculous. There
are cities such as Livermore that have been paying the BART
taxes for decades which have yet to receive their promised
BART station. BART is corrupt. I hate seeing public money
go to corrupt public institutions. The water board is the
same. And no, this is not a troll just because I disagree
with tom. There's more to be said about BART but it makes
\_ then go find a machine at stanfurd to
me ill. I'm going to stop now. It's only the motd.
\_ Well said. What is your name?
\_ Can't say. I'd ruin my rep as an anonymous coward
and worthless troll. :-)
\_ who said I disagree with you? I'm the one saying
BART's a disaster below. -tom
\_ tom, you are not allowed to agree with people
who talk sense.
and Stanfurd? -tom
got around to fixing the ticket machines, elevators or even
\_ We disagree about taxes in general. Not BART.
\_ BART is exteremely corrupt. I rode BART every day to cal
from Fremont for 4 years (93-97) and in that time the
ticket price went from ~ 2.50 to ~ 5.50. This increase was
made under the promise of better service, but they never
got around to fixing the ticket machines, elevators or
increasing the train frequency. Near the end I started
driving to cal since it cost less.
The Light Rail in SJ is almost as bad. It is fairly
expensive per day and it doesn't stop anywhere remotely
useful. I only rode it with my ECO pass from Cisco to
get between the old bldgs (A-P) and the new ones (1-12)
while I was at Cisco.
\_ The assertion that SJ light rail "doesn't stop
anywhere remotely useful" depends on where it is you
want to go. I found it particularly useful for going
from downtown to the airport. Now that it goes all
the way up to downtown Mountain View, I'd say that it
goes to many more "useful" places. I think the *real*
handicap of SJ light rail is that it travels at
*30 MILES AN HOUR* for much of its route (and there's
no signal preemption, so it stops at traffic signals).
It'd seem a lot easier to pry carheads out of their
cars if they could see rail moving faster than their
auto traffic. For now, it's worse than the bus.
-- kahogan
\_ The day public transit is cheaper and faster than
driving and runs on my schedule, I'll think about
it. In the meantime, keep pumping the oil.
\_ get a life, troll. -tom
\_ Stay out of my wallet you fucking liberal.
\_ Liberal means open minded. I think you were looking
for the word 'leftist'.
\_ Stay away from public places and services, ASSHOLE!
\_ I learned to stay away from anything 'public'
when a private alternative exists (it's always
a better choice anyways).
\_ then go find a machine at stanford to
troll on, weenie. -tom
\_ Does your little liberal mind understand
the difference between something paid
by coerced money (i.e. taxes) and
something paid for, and maintained by
volunteers?
\_ does your trolling ass understand
the difference between UC Berkeley
and Stanford? -tom
\_ note to nweaver: spelling it
"stanfurd" isn't funny. -tom
\_ no, my ass doesn't understand
anything except farting and pooping.
\_ Anything that gets BART to san jose is a good thing.
Even if "the poor" pay for most of it, they will be the ones
to benefit from it, too.
\_ The MTC did a study on south bay rail transit. According
to the study, extending the existing light rail system to
Fremont would be *one-seventh* the cost of a BART extension
and would have *more* riders than the BART extension.
BART is a disaster. -tom
\_ Tom, is this study online somewhere? I'd love to see
it.
\_ BART is a disaster? Now look who is a troll?
\_ What would you call a system that costs 7 times
as much for fewer riders? -tom
\_ I don't trust that study. BART is immensely
useful in practice, though regretably too
subsidized.
\_ BART is useful to a small segment of people.
It is just barely sufficient for many others.
In general, BART is a corrupt waste for most
everyone. BART wasn't done right in the
first place and politics have ruined what
little was good.
\_ It would be better to use some of the money they're cutting from
vehicle license fees instead of sales taxes, but that will never
fly politically, so we're stuck with the sales tax.
\_ Gotta give those lexus owners their tax break. -nweaver
\_ I bet you ll change your tune when you get out of
school and get an actual job, instead of leeching off
your parents like you do now.
\_ He won't get a job if the Lexus owners don't
get a tax break. If the richest have money
to spend, the invest it in things that can
make them more money, which creates jobs that
employ people like nweaver. If you threaten
the wealthy, you threaten all of society.
\_ Voodoo economics, whee! Go, Reagan!
\_ Ya, so? It worked.
\_ I can tell you unequivocally that Nick is not
leaching, but instead being exploited. He
gets "paid" for doing research, and doesn't cost
his parents any money by being in school. However,
the "pay" is about 1/2 to 1/3 industry rate for
the same work, though it is sufficient for a
meagre living. --PeterM
\_ It's a choice he's decided to make. He'll get
out of school eventually and pay more in taxes
every year then he took in in total every 3+
years as a student. We'll see how he feels about
it then.
\_ tis true. For, once on your own, you lose all sense
of civic responsibility. Shit, and a lexus is $$$,
doncha know!!!!
\_ Duh, poor people have cars too. Don't be stupid.
Cutting the fees helps all car owners. Where'd you
get the idea the poor don't own cars? Get out of
your little ivory tower and go visit East Palo Alto,
Oakland, Richmond, etc. Cars are everywhere and
plenty of nice ones.
\_ Truly poor people own older, less valuable
cars that have a much lower VLF than a new
car. The current proposal to implement the
\_ Actually, most of the SUV drivers are women. I'm
not sure that they want to get a penile implant.
VLF cut by taking half off the bill and then
refunding the other half is nothing but pure
political stupidity.
\_ Let's punish people for having greater
success in life than others.
\_ Let's say we were to implement this
that kind of a position in life.
for grades instead of cars:
Anyone one or more SD's above the Mean
ought to be punished for greater
success.
Is that equitable? No one would agree
with this, but when it comes to income
re-adjustment, liberals are all for it.
\_ "Incomng readjustment" is also known
as tax the successful to feed the
lazy, stupid, and inept.
\_ I'd vote for a special car registration tax for gas guzzlers.
Say increase the registration fee for SUVs and Minivans or
anything that gets under 20 miles a gallon. And for those
people that drive monsters like Suburbans that get 8 miles a
gallon, we'll hit them even harder.
\_ Let's punish people for driving a vehicle I don't like.
\_ Let's punish people just because it's fun!
\_ Actually, this sounds more like "let's punish people for
driving a vehicle that I can't afford". Get over your
jealousy. Some people are successful others aren't. Stop
whining and figure out how to make it into the top 1% of
wage earners so that you don't have to worry about stupid
shit like what the BART costs in taxes. I paid AMT this
year in excess of Bill Clinton's salary. It hurt and I
think that it was unfair, but I made enough money that
I can just say screw it and get on with my life.
\_ typical small penis male driving a big SUV assuming that
everybody else makes less money than you. Punishing
SUV owners has nothing to do with money and everything
to do with the environment. I suggest that you spend your
money getting a penile implant rather than buying a big
SUV.
\_ Actually, most of the SUV drivers are women. They
like SUV's because they are "safer" for themselves
and thier kids. And I'm not sure that these women
want to get a penile implant.
\_ Obviously, they need a BRAIN implant, because
they aren't safer for them, and they're a
hazard to OTHER people, too.
I don't drive a SUV, but I do drive a larger luxury
car (that I bought used so it cost less than a
camry) whose MPG (~ 15) puts it into your punishment
category. It is unfair to punish those of us who
chose to live life well and have the resources to
do so, just because you are incapable of reaching
that kind of a position in life. And like I've said
before, if my car contributes to global warming,
so much the better. We could do with warmer weather
and more beaches.
I just don't get the Liberal attachment to the
"environment". People are part of nature too.
Technology is created by people and thus it is
part of nature to. Stop getting in the way of
mankind's destiny. And while you're at it stop
preventing the access of ordinary people driving
cars and mountain bikes to the national parks.
\_ My wife wants an SUV. she does NOT want it
because it's "safer for the kids". She wants
it because it puts her above everyone else.
\_ Because so many other idiots bought oversized
vehicles. Get them all off the road and then
no one will need one.
\_ Your sense of scale is sadly lacking my brainwashed
friend. Even the wishes of a penis-waving male have
higher precedence than 'native rocks' and wild beasts.
Man is, and should be, the master of his environment.
Our days of worshipping nature are thankfully over.
\_ Hi, Ilya.
\_ Hi!
\_ ssssssssstarsssssssssss
\_ I stand corrected. I was groping around for "can't afford"
but missed. Well put.
\_ Grope harder.
\_ My AMT tax $'s are probably being used in this
manner by Bill Clinton.
\_ I groped sufficiently, thank you.
\_ Is a person earning $60 an hour actually contributes 5 times
what I am contributing to the society with my $12 an hour job?
My job would have been worth much more if they hadn't let all
these cheap foreign labor, and cheap foreign software coolies
into the country! Why don't they let in some foreign lawyers
and doctors too! Why do they allow foreigners to study
computer science and not let them enter medical school !
Does some arsehole lawyer earing $100 an hour contribute
more to society than a dedicated elementary school teacher,
or a pastor, or a research scientist?! The market for labor
is neither free nor fair! Why do you assume it is so?!
\_ When I drive on the bay bridge, stuck behind
the toll plaza, and I look in the next lane and
see a giant 11 miles to gallon tanker monstrosity
SUV, WITH ONLY ONE PASSENGER, I want to kill you all
and join Jason Meggs in his glorious revolution.
On BART yesterday I saw someone reading "The Complete
Ayn Rand", hopefully she drove to the BART parking log
in something large and obnoxious.
\_ In terms of his/her ability to give back to society, Yes.
\_ That's why you get huge tax breaks when you donate to
charities, but pay lots of taxes when you just wanna
spend it all on luxury goods.
In terms of his/her ability to pay taxes, Yes.
\_ Yes, what about your dedicated firemen, policemen, and
members of the USAF! Their pay are relatively low too!
\_ Yes, like those filthy rich CEOs just buying up the
congressmen to allow in more foreign workers, so that
instead of earning 1 billion, they can now earn 2
billions while American workers suffer!
\_Yeah! Just like that Survivor show! I can't believe
they haven't kicked Richard off yet.
\_ i'd just like to say that this thread sucks ass.
hahaha, i had thae last word!
\_ No, I have the last word! -your hot gay pal Richard
\_ Actually. No. You don't. -anonymous troll coward |
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